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12-12-2023 , 04:25 AM
CO bad aggro reg,BTN rec player,what is best play here? TY

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12-12-2023 , 04:32 AM
With the disclaimer that I just play 5c and don’t know nothing about 4c.

This seems like a nice hand to bet 1/3rd pot as this sandwiches the CO with the BTN shorter stack behind.

You can stack off vs the btn. You have tremendous FE on the CO because of the stack size situation and your hand has a lot of blockers to stuff that connects on this board. Additionally you have decent playability should be flat because of the BDFD and all the future street blockers of your hand.
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12-12-2023 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
With the disclaimer that I just play 5c and don’t know nothing about 4c.

This seems like a nice hand to bet 1/3rd pot as this sandwiches the CO with the BTN shorter stack behind.

You can stack off vs the btn. You have tremendous FE on the CO because of the stack size situation and your hand has a lot of blockers to stuff that connects on this board. Additionally you have decent playability should be flat because of the BDFD and all the future street blockers of your hand.
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12-12-2023 , 09:53 AM
I would check OOP and likely fold especially if CO bets and BU flats. You're likely only drawing to a J against two ranges if money gets in
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12-12-2023 , 11:49 AM
Yeh I don't think you can do anything but check - obviously calling it off vs button but that's about it. I also think you could flat this pre - these are middle of the road kings that rarely flop well and now you're playing a bloated pot OOP. IP different story.
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12-12-2023 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Yeh I don't think you can do anything but check - obviously calling it off vs button but that's about it. I also think you could flat this pre - these are middle of the road kings that rarely flop well and now you're playing a bloated pot OOP. IP different story.
I think c/f is very reasonable and maybe just the best line. But I don’t think we can check call it off vs the btn because we’ll have the CO still behind us, opening us up massively to all kinds of shenanigans.

So if we want the opportunity to get stacks in vs the btn the only way is to bet small ourselves. Wether the hand is simply to weak for that or not remains in question.

The best way to answer that is feeding it into a solver, which TS if you’re serious about improving should absolutely do.

Solve the spot for the relevant stack sizes
Solve it for 100bb equal stacks
Don’t just look at your hand. Make sure you understand every hand in the range for all positions.
Solve both those for a slightly different texture like J95ssx and drill it as well.
Also make sure you’re solid on these textures in 1-1 3b pots.

This will be a good 6-8hrs work but I’d you’re serious about poker it’s well worth it.
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12-12-2023 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Yeh I don't think you can do anything but check - obviously calling it off vs button but that's about it. I also think you could flat this pre - these are middle of the road kings that rarely flop well and now you're playing a bloated pot OOP. IP different story.
As for preflop, I wouldn’t be surprised if this hand is better as a flat and it’s worth checking up on.

But OOP it’s more of a 3b than IP. Not bloating pots OOP is a concept but at the same time reducing SPR will help reduce the positional disadvantage and with certain holdings can really help the playability of your hand.

So a better way to think of it is to consider your hand and what SPR works best for that. You can see that with AKK9 nutsuit, basically all SPRs work quite well. I think I slightly prefer the deepstack playability of the hand: the ability to flop very strong nutted/dominating sets/blushes.

So in terms of SPR there is not clear incentive to 3bet. Now you do reduce the OOP disadvantage and you’re ahead vs their call ranges but you also run into 4bets vs which you have to fold.

Adding it all together it’s not a clear 3b but not terrible either I guess.

IP it would be less of a 3bet because you actually prefer retaining deeper SPR IP because your positional advantage is greater the deeper the SPR.
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12-13-2023 , 06:32 AM
Aggro reg stab potsize - btn fold and I decided to check raise all in..I'm not happy with my play-not sure which is the best play..
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12-13-2023 , 10:05 AM
Yeh I think you gotta fold to this pot bet given he has another 70 bb behind or whatever it is. I don't think he would necessarily pot nut hands like set + draw, but probably the bottom of his range is like flush draw and top pair or top pair and wrap. I don't think bare AQ is just potting it in here this deep.
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