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PLO200: 2nd set vs. Rizen 130bb deep, is my line ok? PLO200: 2nd set vs. Rizen 130bb deep, is my line ok?

09-22-2010 , 05:20 PM
Rizen is 25/16/6 with a fold to 3bet 38% (which seems high for PLO, right?). Not thrilled at his c/c on flop, turn is obviously best card I can see, but I feel like his range is weighted more towards AAxx than 567x/A8xx/88xx hands since he's mostly a huge nit. I don't think he'd c/r bluff turn or even c/r 88xx, sorta felt like bet/fold was best line. River doesn't change much, and at this point I can't see him calling a shove with anything less than the straight or three Aces. Am I just LOLweak or is this ok? I can't fathom checking back turn and getting lead into for like 2/3 pot or pot on river, seems like an ugly spot.


$0.50/$1 PL Omaha Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $248.58
UTG: $176.80
Hero (BTN): $129.08
SB: $38.50

Pre-Flop: J Q J Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 8 A 4 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15.50, UTG calls $15.50

Turn: ($56.50) J (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $28.25, UTG calls $28.25

River: ($113) 2 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks
PLO200: 2nd set vs. Rizen 130bb deep, is my line ok? Quote
09-22-2010 , 05:28 PM
vbet the river for like 72
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09-22-2010 , 05:32 PM
its LOLweak
make a normal bet on turn, you're not going to induce him to just shove random cards
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09-22-2010 , 05:38 PM
vbet like shove
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09-23-2010 , 12:09 AM
bet more on turn and for the love of god bet river
PLO200: 2nd set vs. Rizen 130bb deep, is my line ok? Quote
09-23-2010 , 01:03 AM
0 chance of him having aa played like this. bet that river.
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09-23-2010 , 01:55 AM
quit poker
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09-23-2010 , 02:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theBruiser500
quit poker
Wow, trolling me in SSPLO, your life sucks that much huh?
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09-23-2010 , 03:35 AM
o0o, ya gotta shove that river arrrrr in. theres is like .0001% chance he has AA there. he would've def 3bet this preflop. and a straight is rarely in his range. so a shove is in order. nh
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09-23-2010 , 03:48 AM
i almost feel ill seeing that much value left at the table - bet more on the turn and put the rest in on the river.
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09-23-2010 , 03:52 AM
I would have played hand like this:

3bet pf

flop betsize is good

turn bet 40 or so

river shove

profit
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09-23-2010 , 04:21 AM
I usually don't like being one of those douches that posts a hand then disagrees with everyone, but it was a weird spot and I just felt like he had AAxx here, flame away, just about anyone else on ALL of Carbon I am shoving river and feeling good about it, but man is Rizen nitty.

0.50/$1 PL Omaha Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $248.58
UTG: $176.80
Hero (BTN): $129.08
SB: $38.50

Pre-Flop: J Q J Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 8 A 4 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15.50, UTG calls $15.50

Turn: ($56.50) J (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $28.25, UTG calls $28.25

River: ($113) 2 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Results: $113 Pot ($2 Rake)
UTG showed 2 A 6 A and WON $111 (+$55.25 NET)
Hero showed J Q J Q and LOST (-$55.75 NET)
PLO200: 2nd set vs. Rizen 130bb deep, is my line ok? Quote
09-23-2010 , 04:28 AM
I would expect him to 4bet aces quite often here 130bb deep
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09-23-2010 , 04:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
I would expect him to 4bet aces quite often here 130bb deep
and c/r the flop.

and c/r the turn.

and shove the river.

I don't think i have ever seen top set played worse. You could get a positive red line at 6 max just by abusing this guy imo.
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09-23-2010 , 04:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsajajaja
I would expect him to 4bet aces quite often here 130bb deep
Yeah I'd think so too, he does seem to play snugger vs. me (though I'm probably tighter than him pre), but under 150bb deep I'd expect to get 4-towned here more often than not.
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09-23-2010 , 04:43 AM
lmao at villains play
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09-23-2010 , 04:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elrazor
and c/r the flop.

and c/r the turn.

and shove the river.

I don't think i have ever seen top set played worse. You could get a positive red line at 6 max just by abusing this guy imo.
That's pretty much what I usually do
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09-23-2010 , 08:13 AM
I actually dont hate neither your or villians line here.
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09-23-2010 , 08:53 AM
Wow you guys really give deep thought to these type of hands. I would have calleed a river vbet from villain. Would anyone else have called?
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09-23-2010 , 11:07 AM
wow, On one side I want to say villian owned all of us with the way he disguised his hand, but on the other hand he missed soo much value. I dunno weird and bad way to play AA imo especially oop
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09-23-2010 , 12:01 PM
Its pretty obvious that he viewed you as a very aggro LAG to have played the hand this way and its not bad at all on his part (seeing as u said urself u were bet folding the turn & the way it played out you are repping what he has.) You might be able to keep owning him in the metagame side and get him to call down more lightly vs your non nut straights & flushes in future now he thinks ur polarized from not bettin 3rd nuts in a 3bet pot OTR
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09-23-2010 , 12:26 PM
I dont think villain plays his hand that bad. PF and flop is fine in my book.

- PF is fine, its 130bb deep and I want to just flat some of my AA here, I think this junky AA**ss is a good candidate.

- Flop is uberstandard as played. If we flat AA PF its horrendous to c/r this flop vs an aggro reg. His hand is not vulnerable at all and c/r will make hero fold hands he would 2nd barrel with or even bet/call turn with.

- As played with these stacks he needs to c/r turn, unless he has got a super read that hero will insta shove his entire range on any river.



Hero needs to shove river imo. He has the nuts a ton
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