hello forum, i've been out of the game for years and i've recently learned of holdem solvers, but are there any recommended plo solvers out there?

also whats the reccomended accounting software, holdem manager or is there new stuff? i play on untracked sites now but might join party poker soon

thanks!

Solver Buddy has a PLO software. However, I haven’t used it and couldn’t give you feedback on its quality.

thanks, i dont really know where to start with the software but maybe i'll give that one a try since it has a 7 day trial.

do you use any kind of tracking software?

MonkerSolver solves PLO.

I strongly recommend against mimicking unexploitable PLO strategies in most PLO games, though. You're just going to be (incorrectly) bluffcatching way too often, missing out on exploitable (but +EV) bluffs yourself, and trying overly fancy plays against players it won't work against.

To put it kind of bluntly: if you needed MonkerSolver, you would already know about it and you wouldn't think twice about paying the fairly high price tag for it.

And by the way: due to there being thousands of preflop combos, PLO is so much more complex than NLHE that it takes a long time for exploitable patterns to emerge from a halfway competent player's tendencies. (The weakest exploitable tendencies in the worst players emerge much more quickly, on the other hand. Look for those and exploit accordingly.)

I actually didn't know about Solver Buddy's preflop ranges, but honestly I don't know why one would choose that over PLO Matrix. The latter is cheaper.

And, other than filtering out combos that are losers after rake, I honestly (once again) don't think you want to completely mimic unexploitable preflop PLO ranges in most games. Most players' 3betting ranges are either spewily loose or extremely AA-heavy, so you don't need to worry about getting re-raised preflop and not knowing what to do. Another thing that happens in practice is that you can also get away with calling single raises in position far more than if players squeezed optimally.

I got some value out of PLO Matrix for a few weeks (it showed me some new 4bet combos I hadn't considered, in particular), but I think that you really want to focus on playing explo in PLO. Postflop solver work for almost all PLO games is counterproductive, imo. Thankfully, your average PLO player is just not tough enough to merit it.

(I use DriveHUD btw, to answer the other bit.)

thanks so much DevWil, i think your right, thats exactly how the games i'm in play. will check out DriveHUD thanks for the reccomendations

i messed around with some solver solutions mostly pre flop, but also post, and i do see a lot of value in solvers, since they will show you some solutions you might have over- or undervalued and for me especially for preflop will hint you towards combos you might didnt think of that much in some situations, like mentioned above. but i do think that you will need a fundamental understanding of the games dynamics and combinatorics first before those solutions will really give you an edge. you will only get value from solvers if you are able to understand and abstract the solutions presented and implement it in your game in other situations, especially true for PLO. and that will only work if you can get behind why the solvers is doing something this or that way. because that it wont tell you.
i also agree with devwils comments on expo play and from my own experience a lot of these solutions might not be applicable in some if not most small stakes games because for example people just dont fold to 3bets or wont fold to certain bluffs with enough frequency etc.

I want to play against a PLO solver and also have it import my hand history to tell me what I did wrong. PokerSnowie does this for NLH. MonkerSolver doesn't appear to do this. Is there a PLO solver that offers these features?

Vision or PLO Trainer have a training function, this is what you need

monkersolver is a plo solver

I think I've found a PLO solver where you actually play against the AI in real-time instead of pulling up pre-solved trees/scenarios. Omaha Poker Training. I'm gonna give it a try.

If you play live or even lower stakes online, an exclusively gto strategy is definitely not the best way to make money. GTO is probably best when battling the good regs but less useful against your average rec or bad reg.

Hey Dumbo, can you elaborate on this please. I've just signed up for PLO Mastermind and have started learning how to use their PLO Trainer. The software is amazing and has made me aware of some terrible leaks in misunderstanding the playability of hands in different situations. I'm confident that my results will improve immensely the more I understand GTO and apply it. While I do agree that online will require a flex GTO, I am looking forward to testing my new levels of understanding in live 8-9 player situations.

Like Dev said above, you're going to be overbluffing calling stations and calling too light since the field in these games underbluffs and overcalls. You will be 3!ing too light since people raise a very tight range. When the solver says to 3! a K-high ds rundown, if you do this against a typical raising range you will run into dominating hands too often and you will get cold called by garbage and risk a huge 4! from the original raiser or having a hand that plays poorly multiway with dominated suits and high cards.

When I started training with a solver for NL (PokerSnowie), I quickly realized that GTO was kind of useless for live play. You can tweak the AI a little bit (e.g. add 1bb ante per player to create loose, multi-way pots). But you're still missing out on big opportunities if you play strictly GTO.

Training with a solver helped me plug big leaks. For years I'd get into many situations where I had no idea what to do (whether against a fish or pro). This was especially true out of position. Playing 50k hands against an AI helped me get comfortable in just about any situation against any player.

Eventually I unlearned most GTO strategies and switched to more exploitable play. So my live NL game is now like 90% exploiting tendencies and 10% GTO.

Also, I don't have to think too hard anymore. I feel like all that training with AI helped me get into an effortless flow.

Right now when I play live PLO (5-5 and 5-5-10), I'm so bad that the fish think I'm a fish. I thought I would be pretty good, but apparently I'm making big mistakes.

So I'm considering playing 50k hands against Omaha Poker Training's AI (from the makers of Advanced Poker Training). Advanced Poker Training has decent reviews, and you can also throw in some beginner bots to try to simulate playing against fish. Their advanced bots are supposed to be pretty tough to beat too.

With my limited knowledge of PLO, I definitely agree with what you're saying about live play though. Make the absolute nuts, and get a lot of money in.

I completely agree with everything you said here. I transitioned to PLO a while back and have been doing ok at low live stakes but only cos the population is sufficiently worse than I am, which is saying something.

I made a commitment to myself to study and improve, and working with the PLO Mastermind trainer has exposed numerous leaks. And I’m still just on pre-flop strategy.

I can already sense my comfort level improving that I know the correct decision.

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Is there an inexpensive PLO solver (i.e. not PLO Mastermind) that imports hand histories from Ignition? FlopHero just started offering this for GG Poker and PokerStars, but not Ignition (I'm in the U.S. and can't play on GG Poker or PokerStars).