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PLO $200 - dude ships 150BB's on a paired flop, what to do?

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06-10-2008 , 04:18 AM

AZplaya

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Villian is super loose and the reason I'm at teh table. Haven't seen him shove like this, he usually bleeds money by calling down with marginal hands. This spot was pretty sick and I had no idea what to do. Is his range wide enough to call here?

Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

SB: $449
BB: $200
UTG: $498
Hero (CO): $481
BTN: $38

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A

UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $9, BTN raises to $32, SB calls $31, 1 fold, UTG calls $30, Hero raises to $162, BTN calls $6 all in, SB calls $130, UTG calls $130

Flop: ($526) 8

(4 players - 1 is all in)
SB checks, UTG bets $336 all in, Hero ???

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06-10-2008 , 04:28 AM

herbstl

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pretty sick spot - I tend to fold - we're not last to act and a Ten in his hand is possible as bad as he played the hand - from limping 2$ to calling 162$ PF ?!?!

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06-10-2008 , 04:40 AM

IcarusJam

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Fold if u hate money, as played get it in always imo.

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06-10-2008 , 04:47 AM

Jarzi

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TT8 is a pretty horrible flop that can hit many rundowns hard but you made the decision before the flop when you put in third of your stack. You can't bail out when you've way less than PSB on the flop with NFD and couple outs to boat.

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06-10-2008 , 07:15 AM

alavet

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i cant fold this. i just cant.

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06-10-2008 , 07:21 AM

blopp

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i think alot of his range is hands u crush, sucks that sb si behind but gotta call.

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06-10-2008 , 07:23 AM

noynoy777

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in my opinion this is an easy call after u put so much money in preflop and u also flop the nutflush
also most of plrs will check 10 in this spot so its not sure he got the 10 so i will def call even there r plrs after u
in the worst case u got 2 outs for makin the aces full

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06-10-2008 , 07:28 AM

iggymcfly

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How is this a sick spot? We have AA + NFD and it's only 2/3 pot to call. You'd have to be a huge nit to do something other than snap-call here.

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06-10-2008 , 07:39 AM

Poker monkey

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People are shoving it in here with any flush draw or straight draw because they think they'll have to call anyway if anyone bets, and by shoving they might be able to make you fold bare Aces. I think this would be a call even if you didn't have the NFD.

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06-10-2008 , 07:44 AM

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herbstl

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I don't think it's so easy to call that - if he has a Txxx hand, we're a 25/75 dog against him - there are 2 guys acting behind us - if one of them is calling too, a call would be +EV I think

I did some simulation:

1 vs 1 with a Txxx/88xx Hand

board: ThTs8h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AhAs6h2s 26.90% 161,398 18
T***,88** 73.10% 438,584 18

1 vs 2 with Txxx/88xx, and 9JQK

board: ThTs8h
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AhAs6h2s 26.74% 96,377 10
T***,88** 60.59% 217,176 2,464
9JQK 12.68% 44,466 2,454

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06-10-2008 , 07:50 AM

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iggymcfly

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OK, so when he has trips or better, we're 27% and we need to be 28% to break even. Even if he's never semi-bluffing here, I think the fact that a boat is more likely to check to us is enough to make calling +EV. Add in that he'll be semi-bluffing probably close to half the time here and it's not even close.

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06-10-2008 , 07:52 AM

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Poker monkey

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Originally Posted by herbstl

And it's $319 to win $845 assuming SB folds, so don't fold if you have at least (319/(845+319))= 27% equity

So even if their range is entirely T***, 88***, you should still call.

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06-10-2008 , 07:56 AM

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blopp

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Originally Posted by herbstl

there are 2 guys acting behind us

only sb is acting behind, Bu is allinn preflop.

And im much more afraid that sb have tx then the shover and i wouldnt call here without hearts. To bad equity when behind with player yet to act that check Tx+ 99%. People arent showing 150bb superlight either.

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06-10-2008 , 08:09 AM

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herbstl

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Ok I see - calling would be the best decision, even if he has a Txxx hand.

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06-10-2008 , 09:52 AM

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BeerMoney

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Originally Posted by Poker monkey

What he said.. Which is why its important to go ahead and lead with your big hands too.

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