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06-23-2022 , 05:18 PM
Every so often, I'll see someone buying in short. Apparently, there's a logic to it and it can be quite profitable to so. Quite honestly, I don't know what the logic is or how to play short.

Can someone explain how to play short and give me some tips on doing it?
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06-24-2022 , 03:39 AM
Advantages: You are virtually impossible to bluff out of a hand. Coolers against you are much less costly. Lowers variance.

Disadvantages: It is virtually impossible for you to bluff others out of a hand. Coolers in your favor are much less profitable. Lowers variance.

You need to realize you are unlikely to have much FE so you are always making value bets. Hands like unsuited As can't try to drive a real flush out of the hand so they are worth less. Need to play a solid not splashy style. If you play an otherwise solid game but like to bluff too much this buy in keeps you from doing it.
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06-25-2022 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955
Advantages: You are virtually impossible to bluff out of a hand. Coolers against you are much less costly. Lowers variance.

Disadvantages: It is virtually impossible for you to bluff others out of a hand. Coolers in your favor are much less profitable. Lowers variance.

You need to realize you are unlikely to have much FE so you are always making value bets. Hands like unsuited As can't try to drive a real flush out of the hand so they are worth less. Need to play a solid not splashy style. If you play an otherwise solid game but like to bluff too much this buy in keeps you from doing it.
Playing short doesn't lower your variance, it more than likely increases it as you're forced to GII in 30-40% equity spots as stack sizes give you the odds. Playing short in PLO does one of two things - if you're really good it lowers your edge and if you're not good it lowers your loss rate. The deeper you are the larger your edge assuming you are better than your opponent. With high rake and generally lower edges in PLO than hold em when comparing good vs bad players, I would focus on playing deeper which will also improve your game quicker.
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06-25-2022 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Playing short doesn't lower your variance, it more than likely increases it as you're forced to GII in 30-40% equity spots as stack sizes give you the odds. Playing short in PLO does one of two things - if you're really good it lowers your edge and if you're not good it lowers your loss rate. The deeper you are the larger your edge assuming you are better than your opponent. With high rake and generally lower edges in PLO than hold em when comparing good vs bad players, I would focus on playing deeper which will also improve your game quicker.


Which has more variance to you: GII 100 BB because you are priced in or GII 200 BB because you are priced in? Lots of times PLO is about huge coin flip; nut straight with a re-draw to a bigger straight plus BDFD vs top set and FDFD. Much less variance when the coin flips are for smaller amounts.
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06-26-2022 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Polarbear1955
Which has more variance to you: GII 100 BB because you are priced in or GII 200 BB because you are priced in? Lots of times PLO is about huge coin flip; nut straight with a re-draw to a bigger straight plus BDFD vs top set and FDFD. Much less variance when the coin flips are for smaller amounts.
My point is the deeper you are the less likely you are to GII in marginal spots - that's pretty clear. Also the deeper stacks are the larger the advantage for the better player - so yeh if you're not that good play short.
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