I haven't played on PokerStars since Black Friday but I probably should before I jump in cold.

so youre not american?? what are you then? not to derail this or anything but something just a little off about all this

I call bull puckey on this dude.

1500 hands/hour is not hard to achieve. The trick to not playing like an idiot is to have a break every half hour or hour even if it is just 15 seconds or 2 minutes to reset your mind. Of course you get breaks, you can take whole days off quite comfortably. people are walking miles with vases of water on their head, people are setting themselves on fire, think of the slaves int he roman slave ships, this challenge is nothing (volume wise) and i think it really does highlight the ignorance of casual poker players who have very easy lives and have not ever actually had to concentrate because everything is delivered on a ****ing plate out of your atm. I don't actually check because I don't know where to but I'm sure there are players putting in 450k hands of volume every month regularly in lower stakes.

No zoom is the big ****ing issue here, because you have to spend alot of energy finding games and the skill level is going to be a concern.

I qualify at the end of the year, I will have time and I'm not overly enthusiastic about getting a full time position somewhere just yet as its been like 6 years of 'freedom', so I suppose I should do something like this.

I'd rather walk miles with a vase of water on my head tbh.

I find it hard to believe that there are winning players, let alone players, playing 450k hands of PLO monthly...

if one does that at PLO200 he would get SNE in less than 2 months

table ninja?

I deleted that post, because I realized its actually more volume than that. Does 6 zoom tables over 8 hours/day achieve this volume with a day off? I was going to do some calulations but I jsut delted the post instead because tbh there's not much point in my figuring it out. ANyway its not much different to a full time job and there are alot more mentally demanding practices going on in the world. Nothing to start laying ridic odds anyway. When joey did his 50kj hand 'world record' thing and made alot of money i was super pissed because me and at least one other was already beating this with 8 rush tables (IIRC - maybe it was afterwards I started doing that). (think he was called midnight something)

No table ninja, just keypad and mouse.

OMG JUST IGNORE ME I THOUGHT YOU ONLY HAVE A MONTH, easily done with 8 hours and 6 zooms.

Mt. FishNoob is my favourite poster ever. Please attempt this, Mt!

I 8-table zoom pretty regularly and it's about 1000 hands/hr. But I need to break every 30 mins or so.

I calculate 1452 hands/hour with 8 zooms based upon the 8 tables I just played. The varaince between a nitty 8 zoom and a laggy 8 zoom is very strong. You will probably get more hands /hour with less zooms + being able to quick fold if you are on the tighter side.

The thing is when you play 8 tables is you are not quick folding if you have them stacked. For optimum hands/hour you need to be insta quick folding, playing 8 zooms tiled in a manner which allows you to see your cards and quick fold is an option. But I think 4 zoom tables and then a stack of regular tables is the best way to get volume in, because the hands/hour of the extra tables is not limited by quick fold, so you get good efficiency to trade with ahving your screen a mess and your eyes moving everywhere.

Looking st stacks preflop is pretty much non existent, I only look at opponents stack size when it is a big pot.

Anyway There are alot of factors involved in how many hands/hour you can get, the optimum to me definitely seems to be 4 zooms in tile so you can quick fold and then added regular slow tables, one of whioch may be dragged out of the stack as needed and put back,,,,, extra tables to use as filler to reach desired hands/hour.

Other options are 6 zoom and stack of regs, and 8 zoom in stack (can;t get a set up allowing me to see cards for quick fold). The tighter you play the easier it is get volume in, meaning that with a spread of available stakes you can just put volume in tight at the lower one and then play the highest stake in less volume to go for edge/winnings. ALso you can play short at the lower stake, and then play deep with the higher stake.

Yeah I never fast fold and 10 mins break per hr is prob why I don't get that many.

Bet would be significantly easier with zoom simply because you don't have to keep open/closing tables or play shorthanded.

mt fish you seem to have some good ideas on how to maximize hands/hr, i don't think I agree with most of it as your going to be playing terrible with a goal of trying to quick fold as fast as possible ( you can get about 1800hands/hr if you 24 table regular tables )



now tell me how you win doing this for those hours/day

Completely wrong.
Wrong again! How would you know?
Poked my calculator for a couple seconds and can confirm this is the best advice on the internet. Turns out it's not even that hard to play kajillions of hands and make mirrions.

Can't work out if you're trolling or not

Depends how many players are in the pool too, can be slow at times with < 30 players.

I didn't know I veiled it so well. The point was that regardless of what numbers you get when you calculate it out, if you actually play and are at 1,000 hands an hour then that's how many hands you can play an hour. I've played 2 hands in 15 seconds before at one table... it would be pretty ridiculous to claim I get in 480 hands/hr per table I play. For anyone to calculate the theoretical possibility of hands played/hour and figure he can just multiply it by 24 to see how many hands he can play per day is no less ridiculous IMO. There's a reason people aren't 24 tabling 12-14 hours a day and it isn't because they are just lazy bastards who have had too soft a life to motivate themselves and work hard.

Fair enough.

cmon hoopster, you agreed with a mt fish post, the veil was lost well before that

Hoopman,

I played 8 zooms for 45 minutes and then just added another 15 minutes worth of hands because I couldn't be arsed playing the other 15 minutes. So whatever dumbass imaginations are going on in your head about how I conclude- are not true.

I explained to shimmy about the 1000 hands being too low because of quick folding and he understood and confirmed, my 8 zooms is going to be alot different to Shimmy's depending on our vpip and how fast we make decisions.

I have to significantly shortcut my cognitive decision model as I add volume which does lessen edge, however this game (life) is about hourly and not bb/100. I was a huge rakeback machine in full tilt with this method, especially before they switched the rake method (>1k$/week 8 rushing plo10 and 25 in RB alone and i was still profitable on top of that by a good winrate because I am awesome)

I actually argue that Shimmy is not efficient at 8 tabling zooms if he is only getting 1000hands/hour as this can be achieved with less tables and quick fold. I believe that Shimmy would surpass that hands/hour with less zooms but utilizing the quick fold so this means that there is no purpose to be playing 8 zooms with the goal of increasing hands/hour. To be honest hoopman by trolling you only show ignorance on the subject.

The uniform start/finsh cognitive system is very important in maintaining a balanced outcomes in high volume pressures. In low volumes we are thinking, in high volumes we are remembering (remembering thinking). So to play high volume we have to reduce the need for thinking and naturally we do so by playing stronger ranges and lower spr's, and by having a good memory and experience and by studying the game so that things become standardized. Also you have to reduce the 'poker language' - poker can be infintiely complicated, very long algorythsms and patterns but we also have the choice to think about poker in very simplified terms - which I don't really reveal because I have worked very hard in developing these things. I know what the main leaks are relative to PLO, I have whole session reflective diaries and spreadsheets detailing these things (and i realised inplications in mental health and my study/work is in that direction now where I will reveal for 'charitable' purposes). There are specific regular pitfalls that very high volume presents but I have developed means to countering them - as well as exploiting them in other players who play more tables than they can profitably handle. Actually to the extent where I think I have made their lives hell and want to kill themselves.

Also drugs. And Chi.

edit: how many hands/hour do boku87 and nanonoko get through? Aren't they considered to have good edges in high volume?

no kidding

heh, it's not just drugs, drugs (stimulants/amphetamine (mike MAtusows book has somewhat of an acocount to poker - not in volume but the long hour component anyway - which is the same thing) being good in cognitive resource based problems are just a means to gaining an experiential denominator in things taken from practices like bullet chess, playing sc2, meditation, rection based games like badminton, and even learning to hold your nut, many things are factors in increasing 'brain/mind capacity'. One weird thing I foudn was after watching a Patrick Antonious interview how he was saying how he make decision by listening to his body, i.e a feeling in his arm would tell him to bluff, rather than a language based 'His range is this, this part of it folds, that part is larger than the pot odds, I should bluff' - I foudn that I could make very fast decisions based upon this instinct finding, although they was rather chaotic, chaos forms into patterns eventually and through reflection the chaos is manipulated (''no I should have felt bad about doing that''). Actually super interesting topic but semantically I don't think would be able find much common ground because people play depending on the cognitive path they have taken and get lost if they try to use another cognitive pathway. I suppose it's kind of like how a true RNG would work.

I dont think Mt.FishNoob has real experience.
I consider him as a thinker who made everything up and has created someone who doesnt even exist. (It is him obviously.)

Please confirm this dude before listening to him.
The bet is insane. To be realstic. One of the sickest cracks couldnt do it. Period.
There is proof. Urubu lost a ton on this bet. He is a crazy 24 tabling maschine.

Enough said.

I only say because I don't want people to be leveled into laying stupid odds based upon ability. I have no interest in other peoples opinions on my authenticity, and I do not give a **** about what people say with regards to their or my authenticity, and to be honest most of you could easily be murdering thieves, why would I want to be real to anyone ont he internet? I offer only dialogue and that is all I get. This is the internet, and of course the avatar you see does not exist. There is no difference between 'me' and 'you'.

Many people would agree that with zoom included the volume of 500k hands in 45 days is very standard and has already been done lots of times with profit. Due to the nature of the bet, it is easy to level the chance of success through some covert decisions, which I have highlighted.

BTW I can quote urubu saying this bet is easy right here in this thread, maybe he was not serious, I am unfamiliar with how he got on, but 50k hands has been played in one day and there was the Athene thing, and I have seen plenty of BBV graphs and I have my own records.... look at Boku87 and nanonoko, the bet is only a matter of where peoples comfort zones are.

Just because you are a weakling who cannot believe that what I say is not audacity or irrational due to your own skill inability - does not mean anything with regards to the truth of the matter. It is proven easily without my input just by looking at what has already be confirmed done. What about the donk predator bets aswell. And the mass hyper turbo grinders. I don't know too much about that but it seems like its pretty standard that people compelte these bets which people bet against because they are incompetent and disbelieving.

To be realistic, an 11k hand day is not that much. Enough said. i will do one tonight, for the hell of it, so I can bask in my own arrogance, or maybe I am just taking acid tabs and making it all up.

That must have slipped me, where?

That dpred thing is like what, 4 years ago? Not to mention he even got the midstakes player of the year award on ptr back then.
You can hardly compare that to an 'unknown' live player (if true).

I'd agree 5-1 odds being quite high & combined with the money on the line
probably too high imo. I wouldn't give it more than 3:1.

What's your sn on Stars btw? PM it if you want I'm curious :P