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(Omaha NEWV): in a spread-limit game, is there any reason to stop raising AA preflop?

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10-08-2023 , 11:39 AM

davomalvolio

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Blinds are $5-$5, but the game is $5-$100 spread-limit, where the most you can raise is $100 over the previous bet. (So if I open for $30, you can only raise to $130, and I can only reraise to $230, etc.)

8-handed. I start the hand with $830, Villain covers. I have AhAdJh9c UTG and call. UTG2 makes it $35. Only the Button calls. It gets back to me. I make it $135 because I’d like to be heads-up?

UTG2 makes it $235. Button folds.

Question: Is there any reason not to make this $335?

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10-08-2023 , 01:35 PM

IntheFold

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i think if maybe 2 other callers than no maybe one other caller but heads up than raising aa you should

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10-08-2023 , 01:52 PM

davomalvolio

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(I’m obviously only posting the hand because I lost, but I honestly just don’t know the strategy. Is an AAxx hand always a favorite in a heads-up pot (unless it’s up against a better AA hand?)? Because if so it would seem obvious to just keep shoveling money in, right?)

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10-08-2023 , 02:08 PM

IntheFold

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like i said aa heads up spread limit than yes keep raising but multiway spread limit maybe not if you dont understand what im saying than i dont know what to tell you

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10-08-2023 , 06:01 PM

wazz

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Originally Posted by davomalvolio

In headsup pots, yes, AAxx is always a favourite (like 99% sure? someone prove otherwise?)

In multiway pots, 4 random cards are doing pretty well if two sets of people have AAxx each; they do really well if they're connected and suited.

I can't imagine there's good reason not to keep shovelling money into the pot in this blind structure.

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10-08-2023 , 07:37 PM

MarkD

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Don’t limp. Expand your raising range but limping seems like the wrong adjustment to me. I hate open limping.

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10-08-2023 , 08:16 PM

davomalvolio

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RESULT: I made it $335. Villain made it $435. I made it $535, at which point action was “capped.” Villain could only call.

I had about $300 left, flop was Ts9s7c. I bet $100, he raised, I went all-in, he called and tabled As8s6d5d. I did not improve and he won the biggest pot I’ve ever been involved in.

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10-09-2023 , 12:53 AM

Alpha Fish

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Originally Posted by wazz

yeah there are some fringe cases like AAWWr is a dog to T987ds, but basically the only consideration to not keep reraising in this format is if you're 100% sure he has other aces and then lead flops that you think he's not going to like

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10-09-2023 , 01:00 AM

grant2

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On this flop, do you think you can get away?

You've communicated you have aces, and villain is still putting money in. The villain is saying he outflopped you. You have 3 outs to the 2nd nuts.

Raising with aces is fine but the danger is getting attached to them

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10-10-2023 , 02:40 AM

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OmahaDonk

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The pot is over 1100, you have 300 left with a pair and gutter. You’re printing here, folding would be a big mistake.

Single or double suited aces are always a favorite over any non AA hand. Shoveling in money pre is great for you. He had no reason to keep capping with your hand face up, but he helped you gain a lot of EV by doing so.

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10-10-2023 , 04:16 PM

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davomalvolio

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

The pot is over 1100, you have 300 left with a pair and gutter. You’re printing here, folding would be a big mistake.

Thanks. I kinda figured, just using Hold’em SPR strategy, I had to go down with the ship no matter what the flop was. I was happy I flipped as good as a pair and a gutter! …of course, even with that, I was just drawing to three outs!

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10-11-2023 , 06:41 PM

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DumbosTrunk

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Just pile money preflop, enjoy the profit.*

*Unless the other V 100% has the other AA and there's a third V in there who will not fold.

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10-11-2023 , 08:14 PM

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Darth Sagebrush

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You got close to 2/3 of your stack in good preflop against some spaz. Postflop action is basically irrelevant as long as you don't fold.

Study Omaha equities for a few hours and you will know how to beat this guy for lots of money. That doesn't mean you'll be any good at the game yet, but you won't need to be.

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10-12-2023 , 09:10 AM

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pokerfan655

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You were 60% preflop, so you got him to put in a lot of money as a dog - I would be very happy with how this played out. Keep in mind in PLO there's more variance - he still had 40%, so it's not like you're dominating like you would in Hold Em against a smaller pair. Keep piling in money as a 60% favorite and you'll print EV.

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10-15-2023 , 12:47 PM

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delivery guy

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If you will only ever make the 4th or 5th rr with AA, then you can consider just calling for deception, esp. in position.

If you want to 4 or 5 bet other hands as well, than keep raising the AA.

Only 4 or 5 betting AA makes your hand face up in a spread limit game.

Any decent player is going to have better AA or a DS rundown able to crack them if you keep reraising.

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10-17-2023 , 09:22 PM

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meekrab

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Originally Posted by davomalvolio

RESULT: I made it $335. Villain made it $435. I made it $535, at which point action was “capped.” Villain could only call.

This is a different question once you say there's no 6th preflop raise.

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10-20-2023 , 08:03 PM

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davomalvolio

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Originally Posted by meekrab

This is a different question once you say there's no 6th preflop raise.

I’m wasn’t entirely clear on the rules. In Hold’em at our casino the rules are “once it’s heads-up, there is no cap on raises.” I couldn’t imagine why Omaha would be different. I think maybe Villain just decided to call and made up the “it’s capped” rule to save face? But I was really unclear.

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