you havent given any reasons that make it bad for poker, just bad for bumhunters. tight KotH and private tables- anyone can play anyone they want. no cluttered lobbys. play poker or leave, its a really simple concept.

if you limit the playing pool of player can play, yeah you could discourage people who knows they cant beat the better reg to just quit playing hu and switch game, and this is not just the bumhunter but some losing fish who just know they cant beat them,

superjm doesn't play anyone other than recreationals on party KOTH, which is why he doesn't like it.

no hu tables is probably best in terms of making the games better.

koth > current system.

i think HU cash game tables, should be banned. NO hu cash game table.

should make all HU, SNG... because at SNG, when a bumhunter sit , anyone can sit in and have a game. everyone sitting at SNG HU lobby, will play anyone... because someone sit, you have to play.

lol..............

lol dont know your name, but each time on my table 30-60 and low i wait all night to play and u might be on anonymous table

big nit superjm, thought it was superjim for some reason

Who is jokkee_apart from norway?

someone w multiaccount.

I think this is a good option as well. HUsngs dont really run much on stars as far as I can tell for PLO, but if you did something cool with this like automated matchmaking or just started promoting it as the only way to play HU PLO it probably would.

+1, lol

had a few hundred hands on the guy before tonight, he was 3betting like 25%

down to 5% tonight

Was playing reg tables though, ante tables mostly last night

EDIT: am I crossing the line here with the stats? if so, mods can delete

was wondering the same thing today

Clearly the best solution to resolving long lobbies with bumhunters is a semi-KOTH hu lobby where only a certain amount of non-full tables at each limit can be occupied.

What annoys me are people like St1ckman that are playing about 10-15 6-max tables, then sit tons of HU lobbies. He will refuse pretty much every reg, then when a fish sits he will play, but at a snails pace and this is not what fish like (I have seen them complain in chat). I have seen other 6max regs do this, not to single S-man out but he sticks in my mind for some reason.

lots of 6max regs are doing this nowadays. honeslty, i hope everyone do this, until lobby has 200tables open and nobody playing.. then, maybe, stars will do something. i do this, but i will say: this has to be changed.

why dont open HU tables and only play vs big fishs? i do this. im 15tabling 6max and open 25/50-2/4 HU, only waiting for big fishs. works pretty well, i dont need pay anything to have the tables open.. .i dont receive too much action, but if i play 100hands per month doing this, will be worth it.

btw thats why everytime you sit at my hu tables i deny action. when i open hu tables, i plan to only bumhunt while i play other games. when i want play real match hu, i go to 6max tables and ask to play hu. works well.

right now on FTP there are 352 tables in the NL lobby for 5/10+, 8 of those tables are active. (4 ring tables, durrrr vs Sanlker 3 tables and one other hu table).

i do the same as urubu too. there is no downside for non hu regs to do it.
they should def create a rule to stop it and ill be all for it. But i dont really want to give up ev to the others who do it.
Its very similar to the sit out next bb dilemma, where id like to play a few rounds after the fish busts, but dont wanna get screwed every time by others who dont.

I suspect your method of sitting HU tables will make you a lot less money than you think. I find it interesting that you have such an antithesis of morals where you are for saving the poker ecosystem in some discussions but in this case you don't care if it all goes to pot for the sake of making a few extra bucks.

Clearly losing HU tables is not the solution to the problem. That is like saying high rake at SSPLO should lead to the solution of removing SSPLO games. No, the solution is refining the model. In this case, making the lobbies semi KOTH. This will 1) Improve recreational players gaming experience 2) Increase rake for the site 3) Improve competition amongst regulars, doing so creating more action between regulars.
The only players that this will not benefit, are those that are mediocre playing at stakes beyond their ability, leaching from the system that is.

i agree with you that closing hu tables isnt the best option.

i think KOTH >> announymous tables >> make ALL HU tables SNG HU (you HAVE to play when someone sits. and everytime someone sits, will have a game >> close hu tables >>>>>>> maitain HU tables like nowadays.

so, worst option is maintain hu tables...close hu tables would be bad, but its better than nowadays.

i said this dozen times, i will repeeat: from 2008-2011 i played 100% hu, i love hu, i made my carrer playing hu, but in 2012 HU turned impossible to play, becasue who sit at HU are bumhunters and/or 6max players waiting and impossible tio receive action. 2012 was my 1st year as 6max player, and honeslty, id rather keep playing hu than 6max.

it sucks ya, but if a certain % of people abuse it, then others have to too.

What about banning players for x days if they refuse action enough. this might stop people willing to only play 5% of the players or whatever sitting in the first place.
its at least a start.

We discussed something along the lines of once you sit with someone you are locked in for 20 hands. If you leave table you lose the blinds for those hands. If you lose your initial buyin, you don't have to continue playing.

i like the idea, but in pratice will be weird. sounds really weird...

i think a solution, would be make SNG HU to all hu tables. you can have those super slow blinds,theres ''no blind increase'' sng on stars.

ha

i lose chat. 1month w/o hu for me. damn god. anyone who want 4-6tables hu at 2/4 or 3/6 pm me.

HU Tables should count as >>1 table towards the table limit. I've tried playing some of the 6max regs sitting HU tables and it's excruciating.

I don't think there's any magical solution to the HU problem. Removing HU tables only benefits 6max regs--not Stars or HU regs. No one plays each other on the KotH sites. Anonymous Tables are grimmer paradise and kill action because bumhunters become even more conservative trying to avoid -EV games. Even HUSNG is plagued by bumhunting now--you need an auto-registration program or you will never ever play a fish.

Regs have become too smart to play in -EV situations and/or too conservative to risk playing in a possibly -EV situation. It's not the ideal situation but there is still action to be had even against regs if you're persistent.

Somebody tell me my mind is working in slowmotion. Odd_O vs. leshkaGmBIZ HU 2 tables. Leshka acts within quarter of a second on every single decision no matter the board or situation. Wtf?

and oddsen acts within a second even tho he plays like 8 tables, half of them hu. crazy