Pretty sure something strange was going on with the jul.ia games. Always the same players sitting, and i dont think ive seen those players since.

im sure some software does exist but i think most just do this. for like the anton games last year i would watch the lobby like a hawk.

if software is allowed atm ofc it shouldn't be.

i don't have a clue about computer/software, but sounds impossible to me create this kinda of software...

about run twice at pokerstars, anyone knows how it works if i click ''by table default, ON, '' or ''table default OFF'' ? theres some tables that are RIT, and others aren't? couldn't understand. i try use it at 100plo to see how it tworks, but didnt see any RIT.

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lol right, seriously what the fk was going on then. It was same guys like omgpaylambo and zagalo and that old NL grinder turned plo grinder (played TONS of 2/4 with him last December) d mak can't really remember rest of it and some random portugal guy too. Seen Zag maybe less then handful of times since she stopped in month (although got on julia table few days ago). The plo grinder literally NEVER played on any other table besides julia this year (i checked ptr before rip) but alwyas got insta on game/1 waiting list. Lambo is useless. The portugal guy same except for few random times 1 tabling 2/4 deep

jeah, mbe some money loundering/chip dumping? only odd this was that ju.lia also dumped to normal regs

A programmer could write this script in under an hour. Super easy

Re Julia games- def something fishy, there were te guys from Portugal Sweden(masoren) and a few Russians. There was also a funny thing that would happen when she was playing-if you tried to open a new table at the limit(as only 1 is regenerated) all the seats would be occupied with no one sitting on them, like what happens when you're deciding how much to buy in for.

Nah, I'd say a v low chance. I think I played her in 1 of her 1st sessions when it was all regs and none of these guys for a few days

this is weird. lol

+1

WP Pokerstars

who chinaski on stars?? I always assumed the hunter makemer1ch but maybe guy like hanster instead

It's completely insane that stars haven't instated this yet, there should be a 20 second limit or something for resitting so theres no musical chairs. What happens with the fish is really overt right now and should be changed where possible, this is one simple change to implement.
These players aren't using the bumhunting program to get those seats (although most have the program). They are just one tabling so they are the fastest. They are faster than the program. The program just alerts them who is online.

Players who are 95%+ using a program all the time
Mas.oren (100%)
Leg.heliel (100%)
Ste.ve54555
Im2.x3m4u (100%)
Ha.ns Gu.sen
MIB.217 or whatever his name was
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I think Black.jack187? I cant remember if he was using it or not.
Graves.sen (maybe)

A lot of guys appearing in the Nu.sha games were using it, but it isn't fast enough to get them on the table.
Theres a couple others I'm not 100% sure of, and I'm sure a few names are escaping me.

Basically, if you are playing more than 1 table, there's no point in trying to chase down the fish. You'll end up losing more money than you gain.


The great irony of the system is that the players who use the program aren't good enough to make money any other way, so they end up losing out in the end, because they're barely winners even in games that soft. That said, it is completely unfair, and should be banned if possible.

Right now it's barely manageable, and doesn't affect the games very greatly which is why i suspect nothing major has been done about it, but I predict that some time from now it will become a real problem.

NB. not sure on forum policy on calling people out, but I really don't see why it should be an issue. You can remove the names if it is. If a player is innocent they're innocent, if they're not they're not- I can't see anything changing anytime soon anyway.

I've noticed that players won't be playing any tables and within seconds they are sitting to the left of the mark as soon as he sits. I don't want to throw around names and turn this into a ****show, but this needs to be changed. Of course the people who were sitting trying to start the games get the worst of it. I'm going to write out a more detailed response to stars.

-ash

so ****ing +1

sira.al.aziz-,ph0und3rAA, upay4myl1m0 also uses the same script/program, something has to be done, asap.
(its not like its anything wrong with it (besides ethical), because Pokerstars allow it)

I tried to adress the same problem in the new "stars meeting" thread, but it just looked like no one cared about it.

this has been discussed a million times already, stars stated that these programs are legal (its frustrating)

It is going to be almost like random seating once you have 30-40 people using the program.

i really don't see how this can be true. no way a human being can identify a fish and seat himself to the left of said player faster than a computer run program... 0% chance. although i'd really like to hear arguments that suggest otherwise if there are any(?).

isn't this basically like day trading? the faster your computer is, the more transactions you can make per second (allowing for a huge advantage long-term), placing the people who don't have a super fast CPU at a large disadvantage. to relate this analogy to the problem of bum hunting: the faster your computer is, the chances of getting the jesus seat on the fish increases.
(http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6945451n)

The problem is that it are mostly mtt or low(er) stake players that attend these meetings and argue in those topics. They don't care avout these scripts, because it doesn't happen there i assume.

some of you hsplo (nosebleed) guys really needs to step up to the plate and try to make it to the next meeting to discuss the (high stakes) plo specific issues. i'm willing to do all i can on the ssplo side to get as many votes as necessary.

humans watching the lobby are defo faster than players with a program in my exp from ~1 year ago. they could have gotten faster though...

again, for the anton games, there were defo guys using program for those but guys like me and jonny always got a seat first just by knowing the kind of hours he would be online and checking every table that got a player sitting..

the better they get and the more people that use them obv becomes a massive problem, which seems to be trickling down the stakes as low as 2/4 atm.

really, really should not be allowed. i was sure that before players were asking about them and they were illegal at stars???

their programs need work. I think only time i ever thought someone using a program is during the julia games and i watch new games form all day long, adi you say people at 2/4 are using one?

their is just a few more really huge bumhunters around now, probably play the euro sites too and decide to go on stars sometimes as well and really good skill at staring intently at lobby and clicking fast

lollllll


in theory if this were true wouldn't the smart thing to do would be buy a new f computer. why would be playing high stakes with a 10plo computer for?

I can say u for sure, that u dont get the seat in position, even if u are fistpumped and ready (having an empty table up, and asap clicking when juli.a sits)

frustrating

I spoke to my friend who is a bit of a computer geek about this. he said it is possible to create these programs, but it would be quite complex.

If you know what your doing, in the coding it is possible to program it reserve any preferred seat on the table (in position), instantly after player X sits, if that seat is unavailable it will automatically get the next best seat. I don't believe this software should be allowed, but I think for stars to ban it would be extremely difficult, in terms of proving who used it.

Also the people who are coding the software aren't your average joes, if anything were to change in the stars software to stop it, they are able to easily make adjustments to make their scripts compatible.