Helloz,

Pretty bad PLO 10c/25c player here on Stars.

Just saying hi since I just found out about this forum

Unless you lose this thought pattern, you're never gonna accomplish anything in poker. Learn to blame yourself rather than others. If people play like complete morons, you will make a lot of money if you play a solid game, provided you play enough hands to even out the inevitable variance.

Moving up stakes because you don't like playing with bad players really is not the best way to make money in poker.

Ok Ok , got you.... Moving up while not beating my actual limit might not +EV, my question was more about how big the diffrence between PLO50 and PLO100 is...??

But one thing I noticed is that by moving up I'm always a little more concentrated and I think I play a little bit better, but thats just my problem not concentrating enough at my actual limit..

One more question, how many BIs are standard for a new Limit... 50?

welcome baronaking! I have played with u and also recently joined dc myself. Have bulldozed through those PLO videos... highly recommend Vanessa selbst's stuff... actually I recommend it all.

lol I failed doing this. Good luck!

has anyone played with "im rolling" in 25 or 50 plo 6 max? he seems really spewy in 50 plo heads up, but tough to put on a range in 6 max...somehow i always end up with him like on 2 tables each time i play..

Hello all you microstakers.

My name is Brandon, I go by xBDRx on Pokerstars. Im sure i have played with alot of you at one point. Im currently playing PLO25 trying to run up a bankroll. I started late january and have since ran $50 into $1200 and with a few mis-steps dropped down to about $700. These mis-steps were mainly caused by bad bankroll managment and some influence from degenerate friends.

I hope to move up in stakes within the next 2 months, but am currently running bad so that might take a little longer.

What kind of bankroll should i have to move up to PLO50?? I was thinking $1200.

thats my intro, see you at the tables.

I didn't shot take until I hit 2k, and looking back even that is pushing it.

I recommend a lot more than $1200, its very easy to drop a lot of buy ins quickly. I would say at least $2500.

it really depends on your discipline. I would take a shot with $1100 moving back to plo25 if i lost 2 buy ins and then back to plo50 when back to $1100 etc.

With good discipline you may float at break even and move back and forth for awhile but soon you'll go on a good run at plo50 and stay.

I guess im a nit then cause i start taking shots with 50BI... its so freakin easy to have a tilty session or just run bad and lose 6-10BI's in 30 mins..

Yeah, if you're actually capable of discipline, you don't need a huge roll in order to shot take, and you don't increase your RoR much at all. Being capable of discipline is close to impossible though.

Yeah, moving up at 22 BI is really pushing it, even when it is moving up to PLO50. Just what I try to follow is:

PLO50 - 2000$ - 40 BI
PLO100 - 5000$ - 50 BI
PLO200 - 12000$ - 60 BI

I play on multiple sites, so the number is the sum of the various bankrolls, so I might play PLO50 with only 1000$ on a site, but I have more than 2000$ around in my online bankroll. e.g. You only need 20 BI on the site to play it, if you have the overall roll necessary to play it.

move up to where they respect your raises

Tiger,

When you move up to take a shot, how many BIs would you be willing to lose before dropping back down? 5? 10?

Yeah, like 10, e.g. I might start playing PLO100 at 5224$, and were I to hit 4224$ I'd have to grind PLO50 until I was back over 5000$ again.

also: in PLO its a bit easier to mix in different stakes because u dont reall yhave to put in bet amounts manually (at least pre but post its obv still restricted to pot...)

so in general i like mixing in a couple of tables of the higher limit... reduces variance, makes ur session more standard and takes away some of the shot scared money attitude some might have when just loading up 6 tables of the higher limit

Thanks for all the suggestions. I was thinking 20 buy ins as a general rule of thumb, but i may reconsider.

Im still a newb. What do you mean by variance??
I keep hearing this term, please explain.

Generally people are talking about swings. Take for example this graph of hands at .5/1 PLO.



Over 17,000 hands, they're winning at around 15 BB/100, yet from hands 9,399 to 10,528 they lost over 20 BI. This is why even a fairly big winner running hot could never be comfortable with a 20 BI bankroll.

Thanks for the example. This actually helps me understand/handle the current swing i am having.

Is a 20 BI swing "standard" for omaha? What do you do to try and correct the swing?

The way to correct a swing is generally not to correct the swing. Look for leaks, and hope your luck turns before you become a raving lunatic convinced that Stars is rigged and has doomswitched you.

Overreacting to a swing can lead to disaster.

I think that happened to me...I was doing ok and moving in the correct direction until I took a bad downswing...I actually overshot -20 BI (of the size I buy into the table for) cuz of that "raving lunatic" part until I had some reminders of what I was doing wrong. Kind of embarassed about that actually because it's stuff I read about and sort of remember but in the heat of the situation, I'd forget.

With the "raving lunatic" part, I went to a -38 BI downswing.

Play good poker play good poker play good poker, and you'll still have 20 BI downswings, but maybe you won't have 50 BI downswings. Or you might anyways. The important thing is to not tilt and play good poker.

I've played quite a bit with you Barona, you seem to play ok (but lots of room for improvement imo). We've chatted a few times after suckouts etc I find it quite entertaining!!. Gl with the PLO.

loving the 250 deep PLO25 tables