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Was just making a joke about that failed SN censorship on r2w's picture, look at that SN.

I'm the guy with location set to Nepal who focuses more on berating regs in table chat than playing. 0M3...

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lmk if this works

a few questions for a 50nl player changing to 6max 50PLO on ipoker

should i be limping behind alot with speculative hands when others limp in front of me?

can you sustain a good winrate just nut peddling?

how is the reg/fish ratio?

how much on average do you rake an hour per table?7

thanks guys, any other tips thrown in would be gratefully appreciated

no

no

much better than in NL (well I guess nl50 is still pretty soft too, but especially when you move up there'll be much more fish than at same stakes NL)

15-20bb/100 at plo20, you can count hourly from that.

ok cool so what is a good strategy for micro stakes PLO?
should my strategy be similar as NL? raising tight in early position, loose in late position and rarely if ever limping? also am i right in thinking we can only be isolating limpers with reasonably strong hands?

sorry im abit of a PLO rookie so im just trying to get an idea of a solid basic strategy for a beginner to build and improve upon as i progress

You are approaching the game of poker in wrong way if you're asking that question. Poker is a game of dynamic situations against individual and unique opponents.

In position you should isolate limpers really wide, especially if they are bad players. Just like in NL.

im just looking for a broad outline of a strategy dude, as i said im a PLO noob. iv been playing NL for 3 years, im aware of the fact poker is a game of adjustments. that doesnt mean that at micro stakes against a large player pool we dont have broad general outline of strategy we use as a standard before we start making adjustments.

thank you for your responses

In general yes, you want to open tight oop (15-18% utg) and loose in position (60%+ otb). You probably want to 3bet somewhere around 8-10% and always with at least decently coordinated hands and never as a pure bluff like in NL. Bad hands to 3bet are hands like QQ86 single suited, KK53r, or AQsJs6, both because they don't flop well and you have to fold to a 4bet. Good hands are any ultra premium hand (any non-rainbow AAxx, good KK, super coordinated QQ and JJ, big rundowns, doublesuited rundowns) and stuff like K976 doublesuited, double-paired hands, or middling singlesuited runs like T986. These latter type of hands perform much better when you expect the pot to go hu to the flop after you 3bet. Good spots to 3bet in are when you have position on a relatively loose opener (especially CO vs btn) or are in the blinds against an open raise from the button from someone who steals a lot. If a weak player limps and no one else enters the pot, you should isolate with a wide range, basically anything that is reasonably coordinated. Maniac fish (those with 50%+vpip and 25%+pfr) are hugely profitable to iso 3bet in postion, almost regardless of what hand you hold.

Postflop obv really hard to give broad outline, and it will take putting a ton of hands in to get to the point where you are able to read hands and situations well enough to where you are consistently making good decsions. What I will say is that you should cbet most hu pots, not so many multiway esp if 4+ plyrs to flop, and bet when you have a strong hand or hand with equity vs range. In general, the times you should be checking in hu pots are when you are in position and have a marginal hand with substantial equity vs his range that you will have to fold to a c/r, and you expect to get c/r decent amount. Also you obv want to check when you have a hand that's weak and you don't expect that they will not fold to a barrel enough of the time, or if a card peels off that is really good for their range but not for yours.

I would recommend watching vids to get an idea of how to play. Phil Galfond's, Skjervoy's, Lefty's, and MindCirkus's vids (latter 3 are on CR) are probably a good place to start to get a good framework.

thanks for the advice crash! its abit of a coincidence that whilst you made this reply to me i was in the middle of reading your 500th post from 2010 about mental game! great advice in there too by the way!

Great post. Basic stuff easy to understand for a beginner, as it was aimed to, but still deep enough to make someone familiar to the game (read: me) to think about it, and perhaps benefit.

K976ds is a terrible hand to 3bet unless you are deep and in position against a weaker player... and I'm not a big fan of 3betting most doublepaired hands either. Also one thing worth mentioning that in general cbetting drawy boards (like JT8ss) even in HU pots is bad when you are OOP and have almost zero equity against a reasonable calling range.

Otherwise agree w everything, that's some really good advice.

Hi iPoker regs.

Probably the 311th time it's been asked in this thread, gonna do it anyway.

How are the ipoker PLO50-100 6max games compared to stars games?

How is the rake compared to stars?

I don't find either of these things to be true personally (you are completely right tho that ideal time to 3bet raggy ds hands is in position against weak opponent) , these type of hands are what benefit the most playing in 3/4bet pot vs single raised imo since they hit a good piece of so many flops. I mean obviously you're making more money and would rather 3bet a hand like KQJ9ds or KQJTss than K976ds and probably don't want to 3bet a tight player's utg open with them, but in almost any situation I would rather 3bet a K976ds or QT87ds or J865ds type hand than almost any single suited KK or A high hand (Edit: to clarify here, talking about hands like bottom ~40% of KK hands and single suited A high hands with 3 big cards and dangler not stuff like KKAxss, KK9Tss, doublepaired KK, and AsKTJs, which are all great 3betting hands). Doublepaired hands also perform very well in 3bet pots, though they play fairly well flatting pre too whereas the raggy ds hands tend to play poorly in single raised when you cold call or defend in blinds. Galfond says he prefers to call with them in position and 3bet them oop, personally I tend to 3bet most of the time.

level?

this depense on few things like can we profitable call 4bet vs obvious aces villain 4bet range connected + ds doublepair position blabla ect.

but generaly most of doublepair hands are good hands to 3bet

Maybe terrible is exaggeration but doesn't play too well postflop and flops mostly mediocre made hands or weak draws. Also the gap is at the low end of that 3card wrap which sucks. Sure I'd 3bet it in some spots too (against loose btn openers or deep in position for example) but in general K976ds is not really a good answer to question "what hands should I 3bet?". It's a type of hand we can/should be 3betting in some light 3betting situations, but it's not an example of "good hand to 3bet"

I never understood why ppl are so eager 3bet doublepaired hands (say like 4488) in position when they could just flat and probably play them way more profitably... but idk maybe I'm wrong.

I think Galfond brought this topic a few years agon in one of his vids. The main reason for doing so (from what I understand) is to balance the 3b range more and to disguise our hand when we hit our set because most villian put you on AAxx when you 3b them pre.

double paired hands play a lot better in 3b pots than single raised pots, ainec.

a) we have very disguised hands when we hit our sets 1/4 of the time
b) we lower the chances of getting it in vs oversets
c) when we do get overset, the disasters is less grim because spr is lower

add to this the general advantage of being in position as 3b'ers.

That is what I wanted to say but a lot better explained.

someone mentioned you shouldnt be limping in position, is that bad with a hand that doesnt often flop but flops hard when it does?, lets say like As5s54 where you are looking for a nfd + set or nfd + str8

In general I would shy away from limping behind if only one bad limper with wide limping range who you do not expect to limp rr, but with more than one limper or vs a strong or suspicious limp think it's ok with hands like the one you mentioned and other hands that tend to hit the flop hard or not at all and can overset or overdraw people like weakish hands with a suited ace uncoordinated kk and qq and decent jj-88

im guessing the less there are regs the better it is to limp?

To some degree yes, since it's always nice to see a flop for very cheap and then have a fish donk off his stack overplaying a hand in a situation that is way too high spr to do so (ie stacking off bottom set for 150bbs in 4bb pot when you have top set, sometimes with a hand like 2237r than even most very bad players would fold in blinds to a 4.5bb raise). However, in general, I like to have a fairly decent amount of chips in the middle when I am playing against weak players so as to amplify their postflop mistakes, so I would generally raise a bad player's limp with any hand I wanted to play.

This hand works very well in position deep and out of position WHEN we are like 100bb deep because we flop a pair oe fd or what ever most of time and can just bet call flop and we have 45% equity against aces if villain decides to 4bet. And out of position this hand rarely flop nutdraws ect but its not that important is there gaps and so on when we are not deep when spr is small. Then we can just bluff all normal boards like Axx paired ones ect. And when we hit straight 2pair or so its very well disguised.

K976ds is nuts or what ever was it but 3betting it out of position deep might be bad idea unless u have good idea how to play postflop and know how good villain is blabla


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this depense on few things but 100bb in position its most of time better to just call than raise

+1 to all of this, these type of hands play fairly poorly in single raised, esp multiway, because even when you smash a flop like with big draw or 2p plus a little something extra, when you get it in with competent player on flop you usually will be a flip at best and are sometimes even pretty crushed, but you can often get it in very good in 3b pot flopping even just a bare 2p or pair + fd or sd, plus like you said you have all the fe on flop with decent amt in middle from having 3bet initiative.