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Nut Wrap + Second-Nut Flush Draw, No Idea What to Do! Nut Wrap + Second-Nut Flush Draw, No Idea What to Do!

12-29-2023 , 09:53 PM
Live 5-5. Hero is 1.2k deep. Everyone covers.

MP folds
HJ Asian LAG raises to 20
CO folds
BTN nit calls
SB whale calls
BB [Hero] calls Kd Qd Jh 3c

Pot 80

Flop Td 9s 5d

SB bets 50
Hero calls
HJ raises to 280

HJ is very aggressive with overpairs and two pair, even on super wet boards. But he doesn't get stubborn when someone comes back over him.

BTN folds
SB calls
Hero calls

Perhaps this is a good spot to back shove? I should have huge equity in this hand unless they have both a set and the nut flush draw.

Pot 920

Turn 4c

SB checks
Hero checks
HJ bets 500 (he doesn't have a set with this sizing)
SB calls
Hero calls

I probably would've folded to a pot-sized bet. But because it's only half pot, I think I have to call.

Pot 2,420

River 6d

SB checks
Hero shoves for 435
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12-30-2023 , 05:55 PM
Fold preflop.
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12-30-2023 , 06:53 PM
I like the backraise plan. Either fold at that point or get it in. I can't imagine folding this live. You get to play like 30 hands an hour.
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12-30-2023 , 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Your Mom
I can't imagine folding this live. You get to play like 30 hands an hour.
It sucks and probably les than 30.

If we see this flop in probably raising the first bet with my wrap + FD and failing that I am raising all in. Your hand wants to see two cards here.
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12-30-2023 , 10:02 PM
It's around 22 hands per hour at an 8-handed table.
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12-31-2023 , 12:22 AM
Is this the 5/5 at Parx? I would agree with MarkD and fold preflop, but then again I'm a total nit. Also, did you win?
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12-31-2023 , 12:25 AM
I am a nit but wouldn’t fold pre. Raise flop the first time. Raise flop the second time. Your hand is great on that flop.

It’s a disaster when someone has the nfd as ace high is good. But we still have a bunch of outs.
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12-31-2023 , 12:51 AM
River's probably ok.
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12-31-2023 , 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
I am a nit but wouldn’t fold pre. Raise flop the first time. Raise flop the second time. Your hand is great on that flop.

It’s a disaster when someone has the nfd as ace high is good. But we still have a bunch of outs.
I never know what to do OOP in multi-way pots. I used to be aggressive with just the nut flush draw, just the nut wrap, or just middle sets on wet boards. Then players would look at me like I made a noob mistake.
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01-01-2024 , 03:44 AM
Fold pre, check ship flop a lot unless it’s vs someone super solid who’s only raising here with an absolute monster.
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01-02-2024 , 02:02 AM
agree that we usually want to raise this flop both times it comes to us. but i think it would be very helpful to know how we range the SB both when he leads flop into the field, and then when he just flats the HJ raise.

what do we think his flop lead range consists of?

which of those hands do we think he just flats against the HJ raise, and is he ever folding them to a backjam from us?
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01-02-2024 , 09:18 AM
When SB bet-called the flop, I thought he had the nut-flush draw. When he checked the river, I thought there was some hope my hand was good. So I shoved for one-sixth pot. But alas, he still had the nut flush (he also had a gutshot on the flop and double gutshot on the turn).
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