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05-09-2022 , 01:05 AM

DumbosTrunk

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Hi all,

1/2 PLO5, hero has $800, bad short stack has $250, bad reg in co has hero covered.

Hero completes bb with QTT55 with Q5hh and we are six ways with sb hj, co, btn (the bad short stack) , and an mp limper too.

($30): KhTh4c. Checks to co who pots it. Short stack calls. Hero calls. Everyone else folds. Spr is 25.

Turn ($120): 5d. Co pots, short stack jams $200 or so, hero? Spr is around 7.5 before the turn bet.

Thanks,
DT

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05-09-2022 , 08:30 AM

pokerfan655

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The CO wouldn't raise KK pre? Seems like a good spot to pile it in here with the shorty probably having a weaker range, you have stronger equity vs AQhh type of hands, and he prob raises a lot of KK combos pre.

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05-09-2022 , 04:34 PM

davmcg

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presumably you can flat here as the short stack has under raised?

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05-13-2022 , 02:43 PM

Javanewt

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Flat if you can.

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05-13-2022 , 05:08 PM

DumbosTrunk

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I am curious why people are saying flat, presumably it is because we are worried we are behind some portion of the time against KK and flipping versus good draws. Against that range, why not just fold and wait for a better spot, it's hardly a fist pump spot here with a double barrel from a deep-stacked opponent and a short stack jam.

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05-13-2022 , 05:44 PM

davmcg

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Why didn't you fold the flop? Nothing has changed on the turn. If you think you have equity that you want to realise, the best way would be to call, if you don't think that you should have folded the flop. You will probably get a showdown as there are stacks of scare cards to come.

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05-16-2022 , 09:28 AM

Javanewt

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I flat because we are deep enough to see one more card for the price. If CO could raise now, I'd fold. Agree that if you were going to fold, it should have been the flop. If CO is really a bad reg, he could be potting a few different hands here once it checks to him both times.

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05-16-2022 , 11:33 AM

illiterat

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Just fold turn?
Depends on what you mean by bad, but my general assumptions for bad here would be CO has KK almost always. Like even bad players aren't usually going insane with 44 here (although there are some). If CO can have giant draws like AQJ9:Ah*h that didn't raise pre. can also have a lot more rando. KK hands. And anytime CO doesn't have it is offset by short stack probably having it.

Not sure what to do on flop, I think all three options are viable. Do people pot flops wide in "limp" pots? Is 800 a lot? If you could rebuy for 800 without it being a thing, I like leaning toward raising to 75-95.

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05-16-2022 , 11:35 AM

illiterat

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Originally Posted by davmcg

Why didn't you fold the flop? Nothing has changed on the turn.

The thing that's changed is we have way more information about how much villains like their hands.

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05-16-2022 , 11:59 AM

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illiterat

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Also not sure about pre. ... I realize it's only 3 into 30, but this is significantly worse than QhTT5h in 4 card, with roughly the same playability. Like (Q5)TT3 is better. If it was double suited that's ranked much higher, but playability seems almost as bad vs. 5 IMO.

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05-17-2022 , 08:51 PM

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DumbosTrunk

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Thanks all. Folded turn. Would have scooped versus Kx+ and 44.

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05-17-2022 , 09:14 PM

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JohnA47

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Was just gonna comment unsure if I was misreading. At the least call down

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