fml even plo is now infected with ****** bots..cant take this anymore and obv. no reaction from stars side on such huge news...wtf is going on?!

Stars is just pretending this doesnt exist, lack of community support. They wont even ****ing reply in email "support".

wow pasta dat hud

Someone needs to automate the process of going through a DB and flagging suspect accounts. It isn't too hard.

Should also summarize win rates when the suspect accounts are at the same table vs. not.

Well done to the guys involved in exposing this travesty, it seems that far too often the PLO community has been all too willing to deny the possibility of bots in our games, I think this is a big wake up call for us all.

Here's to hoping stars come in with the banhammer swinging.

Great research. Thanks for looking out for the community.

Christ on a ****ing bike. Is Stars taking the piss?
It's too sick for words.

$$$$ as loctus said

and as long as bots are not too good they are the ideal customer for pokerstars. stars wants to turn (fish) deposits into as much rake as possible, tons of barely winning regulars for every fish is the best way to do that (i guess the ideal would be 5 barely losing regs and everything going to the rake but we). doesn't matter if they are human or not, as long as it doesn't stop fish from depositing

from a business point of view it's not as obvious stars should stop bots as some itt seems to think. where are the regs going to go really? all other sites are worse. from a business point of view it seems like stars should just do just as much vs bots as is needed to not have some fish stop depositing. apart from that they shouldn't really care if the low-winrate regular is human or not, the more close-to-breakeven players the better

fedor and sergeaxx playing now

I´m pretty sure they are very interested in keeping the accounts open. FedorZaysev should be SNE for sure and seregaxx could also be SNE with the amount of hands he has played since 2014.

i dont fully agree for that, for example previous Network(IGT/b2b/antraction) where i played many years, games died and Network was driven down because bumhunting, and thats why worst regs quited, fishes lost more/hand than earlier, JUST LIKE NOW IS HAPPENING IN POKERSTARS.

that's not 100% same situation, but doing good enough for a sample. if those bots does continue, games will be more and more dry in future. im pretty sure pokerstars does lose in longrun instead of winning By letting bots play there, who are winning as much as best regs, and there is not lot of that good regs.

better, and better, and better regs are quitting games in future if bots keep playing.

I agree with your general reasoning in this post. However you seem to miss that the suspected accounts are basically the biggest winners at certain stakes. Look at the screenshot posted by ChicagoJoey. The 5 biggest winners are all part of the bot ring and have winrates that are far from break-even. Human winrates seem to be lower (reasons for this were pointed out earlier in the thread... no getting tired, no tilt (except some artificial "tilt" to appear more human), possible holecard sharing...

Nevertheless I agree that stars probably hasn´t cracked down hard on the bots for financial reasons. If all of the suspected accounts turn out to be bots basically a third of the PLO100/200 volume is being played by bots.
(everyone who plays this stakes knows that FedorZaysev, seregaxx and Emperor and the other bots put in a ton of volume)
The amount of PLO tables running without these "guys" ( ) would be much lower.

I'm sure this couldn't be further from the truth, there would be serious regulatory implications if this was the case. I'm thinking specifically of the UK but surely other countries too.

Let's stop with the conspiracy theories please, Stars obv require a higher burden of proof than we do and these things take time. Of course their detection methods and resources can surely be significantly improved (pasta reported them last year, wtf?!) and it's a huge deal, but they're on the same side as us here.

Sergeaxx is playing right now with sizeable wins as of now!! Not seen fedor so far so one of the most suspicious accounts is still playing & fedor is playing $2/4 PLO now?

So what the hell is happening to these alleged bots? Are they allowed to rinse a bit more from us before getting the boot? Or are they deemed legit ?

sorry shimmy, I think you misunderstood my point here.
I was talking about the operators of the accounts seregaxx and FedorZaysev and not the stars security department.

I assume that both are SNE and that means a ton of rakeback income (we are for sure talking about 6-digits here). They now fear losing the accounts and therefore start doing the things Pastafiore noticed:
-Fedor suddenly switching to zoom
-seregaxx chatting and asking for HU
...

y, when i thnk this more far, pokerstars does LOSE more instead of winning By letting those bots play even if they all play SNE.

^^ok, i see what you mean, but my point stands in relation to some other posts above

Completely disagree Shimmy.
- What are these regulatory implications?
- How long has online poker been around?
- How many times has a poker room been fined, officially warned, licences revoked for malpractice since 1999? By any of these so called gaming commissions?

I agree with your point regarding the consequences in the UK - IF the right people do in fact get actual sight of these problems. However, it seems like the relevant departments within the governing bodies are umm... not that great at governing - and do not seem to have brought their Risk profile up to date with 2015.

Would love to hear something from Richas on this particular topic. Pm sent.

Well, I'm not exactly an expert but as you know the UK regulations are relatively new, and IIRC from the discussions at the time there were clauses specifically relating to bots.

No idea what the consequences might be - fines? revoke of license? just my speculation here. they are new regulations so what has (not) happened historically is irrelevant, that's the point.

Best to wait for Richas to comment

Indeed, I don't think its quite a black or white situation as people are making out.

These things, like with the recession and mortgage lending in 2008, black friday (2011), black Wednesday (1992) usually highlight massive flawed processes within governing strategy and more importantly governing execution.

Who holds these gaming commissions accountable to effectively hold online poker sites accountable? and most importantly of all where is the transparency?

any reactions from pokerstars rep so far?

can stars sue them?

Props to you Schwein, you are the John Connor of on-line poker.

Pokerstars TOS means nothing if they cannot abide by THEIR OWN Rules!!

Ok so seat scripting allowed
Semi automated bots allowed
Bot collusion networks allowed

Huds and your opponents stats are allowed

I think the game of poker online is now a technical software vs software bot war in the next 5 years of sites don't clean up their acts and at the least get rid of the bots.
Fedor and sergeaxx are still cleaning the $1/2 to $2/4 PLO tables although a lot of defiant sit outs are happening with Fedor speaking for the first time!! Heads up challenge with pastafiore just so fedor looks real and comes off bot mode for the day.

Poker licenses are granted in most countries as a game of skill and that is rapidly becoming a joke.

If poker is not regulated soon then more players will just sit out waiting for the bots to disappear and disappear they did when stars went down for a few days a couple of months back.

Can a pokerstars representative update us all on what is going on with all the names supplied by the OP and his good work with others combined data?

+1 and did you end up taking fedor up on his HU challenge? First time I've seen him speak. Best wishes to you for your good work and input to ban these bots.

this thread should be moved to internet poker imo

We have a list of around 25-50 'alledged' bots out of millions of pokerstars customers averaging 150,000 players a day in traffic.

This small number and I'm sure it's higher than this but can't prove it are upsetting the other few million recs and pros so think they are playing another human only to find out it's an AI Bot gaining intelligence everyday they are allowed to play and basically steal our money.