The description of the bot ring can be found here, no need for me to write it all again.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...58&postcount=1
The stats can be found here
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...25&postcount=5
I found 10+ more accounts. Posting only those that play on daily basis.
I strongly believe those arent fully automated. The playing schedule of the ones on zoom would suggest, that they are operated by humans working a 9 to 5 and 5 days a week job. (some sort of PLOSnowie?)
How to find bots using your own HEM database, a 3 step guide.
Step 1. Go to opponents tab, filter out for most hands played and sort by postflop Agg %. They should be sitting right next to each other like a big happy family. Anyone with postflop Agg% between 38.5 and 41.5 should be checked manually.
Step 2. Check all the other stats, if c/r flop is really high and equal to c/r turn and 3bet is equal to sqz (wtf?) they are a prime suspect.
Step 3. Ask someone with a Russian PTR account to check for final confirmation.
Thats more or less what I did. Thanks to Oink and Grethe and the guy that provided me with access to Russian PTR so I could dig up some dirt.
Bonus step. Go report to PokerStars.
MOD EDIT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schwein
The "scientific" way of checking how different 2 accounts are from each other is to measure the distance between their respective stats. I did it for 1 banned bot accounts: BOOTTLEGGER, 3 active accounts from my list: IMissFender,Samanta81,SusaaNIN and 4 legit regulars from PL200: N@T@L@T,Shuller_A1t,Nakamator,Bagrovui. I picked those legit accounts because they have played a lot of hands and are mostly Russian.
The stats of banned bots/alleged bots are here http://i57.tinypic.com/2n84qow.png
I entered them into an excel spreadsheet here:
I will not post the stats of legit players to protect their privacy.
Afterwards I have calculated the distance between those 8 accounts mentioned earlier. I have used "Squared Euclidean distance" for it. It can be found here http://i61.tinypic.com/6ell61.png
Thats the distance between following account pairs in form of a graph
The 6 first columns are BOOTLEGGER,Samanta81,IMissFender,SusaaNiN compared in pairs.
The next 6 columns are 4 legit accounts compared in pairs.
The last column is an alleged bot SuSaaNiN compared to legit Russian grinder N@T@L@T.
Small column means small distance, accounts are very similar, big column means the accounts are completely different.
EDIT: I didnt enter more accounts because typing all of it into excel is a huge pain in the ass. I will put all my research on Google Drive on Tuesday and make it free for everyone to download, including the spreadsheet to calculate the difference between any 2 accounts.
MOD EDIT
SUMMARY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schwein
Willy and another person helping me on this case have checked all the PL100+ hands from 1 May 2015 onwards. I can conclude that all the bots from this ring on PL100 and up are already discovered. Any player that isnt on this list is innocent.
I have updated my list, 11 names with a NO written in red next to them were still active as of 1 June 2015. The blacked out name got discovered after PokerStars made their public statement and I started sending all the names directly to them instead of making them public.
Added another column to the list, its profit with rakeback, estimated at 50% average.
The botring played an estimated 17.8M hands, made 2.82M with rakeback and the damage done to legit players is at least 4.16M. Once again those estimates are lowballed because RPTR misses some normal hands and alot of zoom hands, the rakeback estimates are rather conservative as well.
If any news website would like to run an article on this then those are the numbers to quote.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schwein
Some stuff from the HEM. The initial list in the OP was prepared based on similarities between RPTR accounts and the calculated distance between account pairs.
I wanted to prove additionally that its not a bunch of random aggro accounts and that why I started to look for stats which are uncommon for aggro regulars and uncommon in general.
The following screens are prepared based on a large DB from 1 October 2014 to 1 January 2015. The accounts in question tend to perform an aggressive action on flop and turn with the same frequency and it tends to be over 15% for all 4 stats.
All the accounts in question have the same 3bet as squeeze, I have first described it here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=101
It makes no sense to have 3bet=sqz when playing 100bb+, winning players very rarely play like this and its uncommon for aggressive players as well. So its not like 3bet=sqz is some secret formula that increases the winrate.
All the accounts had the BB Agg = Overall Agg, once again it makes no sense, winning players tend to have much lower BB Agg then overall aggression (they range is wider and weaker in BB).
Colour coded the similarities for the alias, and I am posting 4 screenshots for individual accounts that had the most hands in that DB. The numbers might very a bit, because its just 50-100k samples.
Last edited by napsus; 06-17-2015 at 03:39 AM.