All of the graphs are 6-max, 2/4 to 5/10, I see them in BBV every week, it's shocking.

wheres your avatar gone antchev? bring it back

lol

I just put hem omaha on my comp and loaded up what hands i have. I'm trying to figure out what the ev line means... Does it measure my expected ev vs my blue line only or is it what i should have won total?

The blue line represents how much above/below expectation you are. Right now, it means that you've won $500 more than you should have if your luck had run even.

Might want to look a little closer. that graph is from the omaha beta for HEM and not a pokerEV graph. The red line is his non-showdown winnings.

Just posted this in probability forum, it's relating to plo.

Would appreciate if anyone could chime in

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...3/#post9553394

Hi guys. Im completely new to PLO and I have alot of questions that I hope you can answer (I didnt find a "beginners thread", if I found one I would post this there)

- How does HU and 6-max differ? Im coming from a low/mid stakes HUNL background so I would like to know the basic dynamics of HUPLO. Like, Do you tend to open as often as hunl? 60-80% pfr from the button? Kind of the same CBet stats?
- What boards are good to Cbet HU?
- What hands are good for 3betting preflop? (the rest of the questions are also gonna be about HU play)
- What kind of turncards do u barrel? I mean do u barrel cards that could have given u a st8 or board pairings or flushes or what?
- What is the relative value to a TPTK in plohu in relation to a nlhu hand on a dry board?
- How do u adjust to people that 3bet relentlessly when you dont have enough postflop skills yet to outplay them?
- Are there any good HU plo introduction videos around? Ive seen 2x6 with whitelime and Vanessa at DC and "plo" with Phil Galfond, but they tend to be more about 6max. (tho the last "plo" vid was HU)
- (NOOB Q) How do u play aces preflop HU against:
Passive opponents?
Aggressive opponents?
(still with aces) What kind of boards will u continue on if u 3bet pre? What kind of boards will u check-fold (if ever)


Im really sorry if this is a hassle for anyone, but it would help me alot to get some answers to all of this! Hope you guys will help me win "first from 100 to 3k" against my buddy. Im starting out at plo10 (hu & 6max). Btw, do u think there is more value in hu or 6m?

Berbatov

I'm going to give short answers to all these questions because it's hard to go into depth without more specifics.

-Anywhere from 50-100% Preflop Raise, 60-80% is probably most common from the better players

-Cbet % will most likely need to be a bit lower than NL but its dependent on how wide you are opening and how your opponent is reacting postflop

-many of the same boards that are good to cbet in nl; just think about what hands you are representing by betting and the likelihood your opponent has a strong hand given the texture; always factor in your blockers and backdoor possibilities; also before you cbet think about how you are reacting to a raise

-If you are just starting out, stick to 3betting premium hands that flop well, so double suited AAxx, double suited KKxx, strong doublesuited rundown hands probably 6789ds-JTQKds, single suited AAxx,KKxx with good helpers

-In general, you do not want to pure bluff double barrel, you would like to have some equity when called to continue firing, think about the hands your opponent most likely held when calling flop and then consider how the turn affected his most likely holdings, consider the stack sizes in relation to the size of the pot and the sizing of your bet

-hard to say the absolute value of a hand you should stack off because alot of it depends on the opponent, top 2pair can be huge on a dry board vs. one guy and rags vs. another

-if you can't outplay them, then sit out...if you choose to continue, I guess optimally bloat up pots pre by 4betting them and make it an equity battle and variance war...If you want to get better at the risk of losing then I'd start minraising and seeing pots in position and try to learn from the spots the better player puts you in

-against passive, I'd be more likely to 3bet almost any aces because postflop you are going to have a better idea of where you stand and you can more comfortably bet/fold

-I'd stick to 3betting good AAxx against aggro players because with bad aces you are going to be lost on alot of flops oop in a bloated pot, mix in more flats with your weaker AAxx

-cbetting with AAxx in 3bet pots oop is very situational, alot of it will depend on how your opponent reacts, you need to watch your betsizing as well and know how you are going to react if you get raised; extremely coordinated boards when you have nothing but bare aces can be c/folded

Check out cornellxc's hu plo vid on Cardrunners. That's probably going to be the best instruction for beginning hu plo. At the $10 level, I think there is probably more value in 6max because the rake will cut into your earn if you play heads up.

Is this forum always this helpful? In the HUNL forum a fish will rarely get such a good respond... Thank you so much Nemo!

no i have no idea why you got an actual response. Must be a slow news day.

SHUT THE **** UP

we have the best forum

i think someone should start a BEGINNING PLO questions thread so random questions dont start new threads all the time

done ^^^

Are you a fellow Bulgarian countryman or you're just a big fan of Man Utd?

that may be a reason for replies, scum supporter + nice avatar = replies

and quuuuuuuuuueeeeeee the disgusting -9 bi session.

i didn't even post any garphs of my first three weeks or ANYTHING why oh why gods?

FWIW, im a Spurs supporter. So no united for me ty. Still like Berba tho.

I have a hand that might be standard to you all but here it is.

Omaha Hi $0.10-$0.20 PL (real money), hand #P4-92257674-209
Table Lodsch, 25 Mar 2009 2:50 PM ET

Seat 2: One3Hill [ KH,KC,AC,QS ] ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 4: dorio33 ($12.83 in chips)
Seat 8: _Palekastro_ ($24.76 in chips)
Seat 9: _hide_ ($12.05 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
_hide_ posts blind ($0.10), One3Hill posts blind ($0.10).

PRE-FLOP
dorio33 calls $0.10, _Palekastro_ bets $0.30, _hide_ folds, One3Hill calls $0.20, dorio33 bets $1, _Palekastro_ calls $0.80, One3Hill calls $0.80.

Here I just call with Kings for overset value because you only really get it allin pre against aces at these limits. And Im not good enough to know which flops are good and bad for me when I 3bet and get called.

FLOP [board cards 2H,7D,KS ]
One3Hill checks, dorio33 checks, _Palekastro_ checks.

I just check here because the board is so dry that there are really no draws to worry about and If someone has a set Ill get the opportunity to CR anyway.

TURN [board cards 2H,7D,KS,8D ]
One3Hill bets $2.50, dorio33 calls $2.50, _Palekastro_ folds.

RIVER [board cards 2H,7D,KS,8D,10D ]
One3Hill???

United FTW

You can go two ways about this imo berbatov i think you can c/f to his river bet as all draws hit unless he has the the cold 9,10 with no FD or try and put some sort of stopper bet in, if your raised then chuck it away. but you never know at these levels..

I'm so tirrrrreddd just played my 3rd football (soccer) match in 3 days.... my legs feel like there going to fall off.

And 1 more:

Seat 1: RomyScaresU ($10.62 in chips)
Seat 2: One3Hill [ JH,9H,10D,4H ] ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Anneli-74 ($13.39 in chips)
Seat 6: ongamer_x ($22.16 in chips)
Seat 8: LSK741 ($10.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
RomyScaresU posts blind ($0.10), One3Hill posts blind ($0.10).

PRE-FLOP
Anneli-74 calls $0.10, ongamer_x bets $0.50, LSK741 folds, RomyScaresU folds, One3Hill calls $0.40, Anneli-74 calls $0.40.

FLOP [board cards 10H,8H,3D ]
One3Hill checks, Anneli-74 checks, ongamer_x checks.

TURN [board cards 10H,8H,3D,2H ]
One3Hill checks, Anneli-74 checks, ongamer_x bets $1.40, One3Hill calls $1.40, Anneli-74 folds.

RIVER [board cards 10H,8H,3D,2H,7D ]
One3Hill checks, ongamer_x bets $3.50, One3Hill ???

I play soccer alot too, united.. Im norwegian. Normal week for me is:

2 matches
8 Practices with the team
4 sessions of strength or soccer training on my own

pretty exhausting imo

united is balls though. I mean i'd pick them over chelsea but still.

On the flop you should of lead out of have the intention to check raise,

turn i cant think right now my head is banging but i would of probably lead out for a $1 or so.

as you checked the turn you gave yourself a problem, but as he didnt continue on the flop i would imagine he isnt showing the nut flush, but that also depends on his style of play does he like to bet draws?

hmmmmm dont know the river i probs folding but havent done any pot odds or anything and im probs a nit compared to others.