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[LOW] 1/2 6-max nuts on flop [LOW] 1/2 6-max nuts on flop

07-18-2022 , 11:49 PM
Sorry if details aren't super precise, going off memory on this one.

1/2 online, 6-handed
Folds to BTN, BTN raises to $7

Hero calls in BB with A T 7 8

Flop comes
6 5 4

Hero checks, BTN pots for $16, Hero r/r to $56, BB calls.

Turn 6
Pot = ~$120
Hero (~$140 behind) ???



I just don't know if any worse hands call me here, but check-folding also feels gross too...
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07-19-2022 , 09:47 AM
This is why position is king. Call flop. Pot/call looks very much like the same or lower straight or set, think 78 + spades rips in the rest on the flop. Trouble is if it's a lower straight lots of the rundowns he could have just filled up.
Reads on button?
I'm probably blasting turn and hoping to get him off a chop. No idea if that's optimal tho, depends on villain I guess.
I'd call flop and bet turn, fold to a raise.
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07-19-2022 , 11:56 AM
Thought-provoking hand, think we could play it a bunch of ways depending on villain. Pre is probably a 3-bet. If btn is passive flop lead would be best since this is a very good flop for us, but we are unblocking spades or pairs so it's close. No idea what villain's pot bet on flop means since he should never bet that sizing. C/r flop seems fine, but a case can be made for just calling. Turn is interesting, don't think we can ever c/f, but c/c doesn't seem all that great either. I would probably bet small($35) since a lot players will fold draws to small bet on board pairing turns. This bet sizing should induce more bluffs so don't think we could fold to a raise(unless v is super passive).
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07-19-2022 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
Thought-provoking hand, think we could play it a bunch of ways depending on villain. Pre is probably a 3-bet. If btn is passive flop lead would be best since this is a very good flop for us, but we are unblocking spades or pairs so it's close. No idea what villain's pot bet on flop means since he should never bet that sizing. C/r flop seems fine, but a case can be made for just calling. Turn is interesting, don't think we can ever c/f, but c/c doesn't seem all that great either. I would probably bet small($35) since a lot players will fold draws to small bet on board pairing turns. This bet sizing should induce more bluffs so don't think we could fold to a raise(unless v is super passive).
This really, betting small there is also correct in theory, that's what I would do with my boats too. Not sure about the calling part though, hard spot for villain to bluff I think.
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07-19-2022 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
Thought-provoking hand, think we could play it a bunch of ways depending on villain. Pre is probably a 3-bet. If btn is passive flop lead would be best since this is a very good flop for us, but we are unblocking spades or pairs so it's close. No idea what villain's pot bet on flop means since he should never bet that sizing. C/r flop seems fine, but a case can be made for just calling. Turn is interesting, don't think we can ever c/f, but c/c doesn't seem all that great either. I would probably bet small($35) since a lot players will fold draws to small bet on board pairing turns. This bet sizing should induce more bluffs so don't think we could fold to a raise(unless v is super passive).
Given H is oop I dislike bloating the pot with a 3-bet. I understand button is raising wide but we are still oop in PLO which means to me our difficulty in realizing our equity more than offsets the raising wide. We have a decent hand not a top 10% hand.
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07-20-2022 , 11:55 AM
Ran this quick sim - put in all spade hands as I'm not sure how to be more specific on the sim, but this gives you an idea

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
1,751,040 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 6546
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
adtd7c8h52.20% 876,00876,021
44,55,66,65,ss47.80% 799,01176,021

Because I included all spades I think if we narrow it down to A/K spades or weaker spades + pair the equity might put you closer to say 47% or so. I like the flop raise as yeh it sucks when he repots and he's freerolling you, but that's rare. I think the turn is a check/fold - if we pot it he calls with his hands that crush you and folds his flush draws, and if you check he probably checks behind his flush draws and bets his nuts.
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07-20-2022 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kalaea
This is why position is king. Call flop.
I'm not necessarily opposed to c/c on flop since we do not have any redraws here. My question for you though is that if the turn bricks, what is your move? I assume we're leading pot on turn...

P.S. sorry for no reads on villain here, but this hand took place on WSOP.com, regs seem OK but not that good and prone to tilt. and def some fish on there.
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07-20-2022 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
Thought-provoking hand, think we could play it a bunch of ways depending on villain. Pre is probably a 3-bet. If btn is passive flop lead would be best since this is a very good flop for us, but we are unblocking spades or pairs so it's close. No idea what villain's pot bet on flop means since he should never bet that sizing. C/r flop seems fine, but a case can be made for just calling. Turn is interesting, don't think we can ever c/f, but c/c doesn't seem all that great either. I would probably bet small($35) since a lot players will fold draws to small bet on board pairing turns. This bet sizing should induce more bluffs so don't think we could fold to a raise(unless v is super passive).
I don't mind b/f turn and c/f river here, it is pretty damn rare to see pure bluffs (not counting big draws on flop) in PLO in WA/WB situations in my experience. Even though the blocking bet is easily exploitable by a GTO player I don't think it's being exploited at these stakes.
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07-20-2022 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
I think the turn is a check/fold - if we pot it he calls with his hands that crush you and folds his flush draws, and if you check he probably checks behind his flush draws and bets his nuts.
I think you're right, and given the texture of this board his range has more boats than anything else. There's no straight draw for him to call on the flop, and although many bad players would call with a naked flush draw, a solid reg would be folding that on the flop without at least 2p to go with it. Whereas a set is almost always peeling on the flop.
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