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02-19-2024 , 09:55 AM

freewilly12

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Hello,

Does anyone else have problems navigating on 6card PLO streets? I play on this club full of vpip 60-90 whales. Mostly passive players allthough some willing to gamble preflop with any 6. Pretty sure there's no collusion going on but I still struggle somehow.

Wonder do their mistakes in multiway pots hurt my equity. Like one loose call giving another players odds to draw so my much stronger range takes a hit.

I might be obviously just on a massive runbad but still questioning my edge.Does anyone know what is normal SD for 6-max PLO6?

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02-19-2024 , 10:51 AM

pokerfan655

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,387

6 card is going to be looser by nature with higher VPIPs as equities run closer - AA is much less of a favorite then in 4 or 5 card. Everyone should be playing a higher VPIP then in say 4 card, but if you think they're playing way too high of a VPIP then I'd just value bet them lighter and bluff less as these types of players don't like to fold.

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02-19-2024 , 12:26 PM

freewilly12

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Are you sure optimal vpip is much higher in plo6? I think there is not that much % difference between plo4 and plo5 gto opening ranges. Players seem quite bad but postflop they are more carefull and it is not that easy to get stacks in as an huge favourite. I do think it is a stupid game as it seems so many spots it is almost impossible to have bluffs and you can valuebet only absolute nuts. PLO mastermind has plo6 solver in the pipeline however not sure how usefull those solutions are going to be when it comes to these looseygoosey games.

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02-19-2024 , 06:58 PM

amok

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The game is stupid, yes, and you won't get stacks in as a huge favourite. However, playing stronger range allows the "setups" go your way. Probably just keep doing what you were doing.

I don't have an answer to your actual question.

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02-21-2024 , 11:47 AM

pokerfan655

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Originally Posted by freewilly12

I would think with the more cards we have preflop equities run closer therefore we should be playing more hands. If people are super careful postflop in these games then you should be bluffing more, if they're less careful/loose then you should bluff less and value bet them thinner. They have to be making mistakes somewhere.

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02-23-2024 , 04:55 AM

freewilly12

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Equity realization is a bigger factor than raw equity, same as in other omaha variants. It's awkward to continue without nutted hands/draws vs multiway action even vs weak ranges. As said if a loose rec makes a bad call vs me he might give right odds to another player to outdraw me which ends up net negative for me overall.

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02-23-2024 , 06:48 AM

amok

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Originally Posted by freewilly12

Yes, which makes the game even dumber. You need to just nit it and print EV.

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02-23-2024 , 12:02 PM

freewilly12

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Originally Posted by amok

Yes, which makes the game even dumber. You need to just nit it and print EV.

Can be so brutal during dowswings. When they lead backdoor wheel they paractically always have it.

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02-23-2024 , 01:00 PM

pokerfan655

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Originally Posted by freewilly12

If they're whales who call too wide postflop then value bet them thinner and print money when you make the nuts. If they have half a brain and start overfolding then you can start bluffing them more - should be fairly easy to play against opponents who are "whales". The multiway action is just the nature of 6 card and your edge is smaller than in 4 card presuming the same skill level.

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02-24-2024 , 05:49 AM

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freewilly12

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I think overall they don't make huge mistakes post flop that often. Preflop they are definitely too loose and willing to get in some really trashy hands so it gets very swingy as you are only pushing smallish edge multiway pot. I definitely prefer 4 card plo over 5 and 6 card variants.

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02-24-2024 , 10:50 PM

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nootaboos

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I mean just level up completely and play 8card?

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03-09-2024 , 01:05 AM

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Louie Landale

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To original post:

The nuts is almost always out. You need top full house or top flush to win the money. Let the idiots chase you with lower sets or draws. Nut straights will very often get split. Even T-9-8-7-6-5 flopping a low straight with 2 extra redraws will indeed do.

Flopping "top 2 pair" only won't cut it; unless you start with a big A-run-down.

So you need big pairs (A, K, maybe Q) and Axs hands. Kxs is only good if you have an Ace AND flop your suited Ace.

I'd say if you have neither AA double-suited (with straight draws) nor As+ 4-broadway cards then you don't have a premium hand.

-Louie

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