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06-23-2023 , 06:19 AM

3quilibrium

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 282

Presumably this is OK (well, I would think that or I wouldn't have played it that way...) but just wanted to clarify.

Is the PFR OK 4handed?

I guess if I jam turn I run into JTxx a lot?

Am I potentially missing value on the river or is it an easy check back?

PartyGaming - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 117 BB
BB: 73 BB
CO: 177 BB
Hero (BTN): 204 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (10.2 BB, 3 players) 7

SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 5.2 BB, SB calls 5.2 BB, BB calls 5.2 BB

Turn: (25.8 BB, 3 players) 5

SB checks, BB bets 24.6 BB, Hero calls 24.6 BB, fold

River: (75 BB, 2 players) 3

BB checks, Hero checks

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06-23-2023 , 07:27 AM

wazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,755

People almost never check the nuts with 40 bigs left in a 75 bigs pot. Would guess you're more likely to get the same straight to fold as you are a better straight to call.

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06-23-2023 , 08:45 AM

3quilibrium

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 282

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazz

People almost never check the nuts with 40 bigs left in a 75 bigs pot. Would guess you're more likely to get the same straight to fold as you are a better straight to call.

Yeah that makes sense. Presumably the turn call is best over jamming, though?

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06-23-2023 , 09:08 AM

wazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,755

Turn call >>> jamming. The only draws are up to 4 outs to a higher straight and 10 outs to pair. Short of broadway on a rainbow board, you're never going to have as dry a made straight board. And people don't turn up with sets as often on this board as on a broadway board, and they certainly don't bet them with a high frequency. So raising mostly folds out worse and keeps in better. Your hand is a perfect bluffcatcher.

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06-25-2023 , 05:41 AM

Round of 6

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 374

I check flop.

3 ways you aren't going to get 3 streets of value with 2nd nuts.

Holding the 9 is not good because you block hands that can give you value. For example, holding a 7 is better because you still block the board pairings but you unblock the 98,99 type hands that will call.

Holding Ad same kinda concept.

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06-25-2023 , 09:57 AM

pokerfan655

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,387

I think we definitely need to bet the flop - there's obviously value to be had and the chances of a diamond or board pairing card coming on the turn and river is very high. We can also use some protection on a texture like this - I'd also size up, this isn't T52r type of board. On the turn I'd just jam it - this is 5 cent plo so you're probably getting called by a worse straight and they didn't raise the flop so I would discount JT somewhat. Even when they have JT you're probably going broke the way this hand played out and we can still protect our equity against a lot of rivers.

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