Dealt to Hero: K Q K 5

CO Calls $0.25, HERO Raises To $1.10, SB Folds, BB Raises To $3.65, CO Folds, HERO Calls $2.55

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.28 effective]
Flop ($7.65): 5 7 K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $2.40 (Rem. Stack: $45.67), BB Calls $2.40 (Rem. Stack: $48.91)

Turn ($12.45): 5 7 K J
BB Checks, HERO Bets $7.93 (Rem. Stack: $37.74), BB Calls $7.93 (Rem. Stack: $40.98)

River ($28.31): 5 7 K J 9
BB Checks, HERO Checks





Initial thoughts he checks on a board where I think he should bet a majority of the time. I bet small on flop because we block calls and in general its efficient at clearing out his trash . Expecting to get called by aces and any DS broadway type hand with backdoor flush draws and straight draws. Turn is self explanatory. River is the question and I'm wondering if I'm just being a huge nit in this spot.

During the hand I figured it was better to have the 10 and with the 10 I would pot 100% of the time and mix at some frequency with the Q maybe 50/50 and check back and mix 25% shove 75% check with no blockers. I think pot is what I would simplify to, and a block bet didn't feel appropriate for this situation. Or am I just over thinking this situation and should pot every time regardless of blockers.

I think the main problem with the hand is you didn't set yourself up for going all-in in the river.

But i don't have any major issues with a river check-back.

PS - spoiling results is not recommended.

I don't like the small bet on the flop. The small bet can work well on slightly dryer boards, and when you're the preflop aggressor. Here you're trying to steal the pot from the preflop aggressor. You could even disregard range advantage entirely in this spot, K-high boards are very often up for grabs in this regard, and simply consider the psychological factor that when people are the last aggressor pre, they feel more invested in the pot than when they are the caller. I bet 2/3rds here.

I'm not clear that the turn is straightforward? There are now loads of draws possible and a few made hands too in the form of KJ which though we obviously block will be there sometimes; we also don't have the Q of spades which is a key drawing card he can have, whether that's as part of a hand he wants to crAI with, or call down. Again, I bet big. As played, if you bet $10, the pot will be $32 on the river and you can bet with more heft, as well as give him a more natural turn cr.

Your river thinking demonstrates the danger of relying on blockers too much as part of your thought process. Having a ten in your hand makes a valuebet more comfortable, but you're plenty comfortable already given that villain has checked 3x and called 2x, Only 1 of the straight draws that complete was from the flop, and that often folds the turn when it's no longer to the nuts. Not to mention that when the pot is this big, people tend to valuebet themselves as they fear a check back. You're not at the top of your range as you can have all the straights yourself, but there's little reason to suspect you're beat here. Unless you have reads otherwise, you have a green light to valuebet this river, and if nothing else, prevent a showdown.

Hi PixelPoints, we analyzed your hand with our solver and we agree with your river decision on checking with your actual hand and only betting if you hold a T.

On the Flop you should have bet bigger, 75% of the pot. This is due to the fact that the villain here has a stronger range than you estimate, as the SPR is higher than a normal 3bet pot and AA has to check a lot on this board without additional draws.


On the Turn, you are blocking the flush plus the pivot card that is a Queen, eventho is not the spades one. So the solver recommends using half a pot size, because the hands your opponent could have for shoving here all contains some kind of Kings or flushes.

As played, with a small 1/3 flop size, the turn size is mixed between half or pot bet.


On the River, as played, the only sizings considered are check or bet pot. The solver only bets with hands blocking any kind of straight like the T but also 8s or 6s for smaller straights.


If the sizings on Flop and Turn were the GTO recommendations, your hand and all KKxx would have to go allin and extract the maximum because as wazz noted, your opponent would have a large donking range with their made straights to prevent check behinds.

You can check this spot for free here:
https://app.flophero.com/omaha/strat...rds=Kd7s5hJs9h

I think the flop play is ok, similar to what I've learned. SB's got his middling stuff here (oop 3bettor, checks flop) and so we want to polarize against that. bet bet bet is a good plan for polarizing but large size early narrows too quickly? I'm not disputing the opportunity to be more texture sensitive may exist, just harder to execute.

It's the turn that's my issue, not at all self explanatory. I would have sized B100 and selected bets accordingly. I think I would overbet here if allowed.

I struggle with the river decision, too. Per our bet bet bet plan, I want to go big and polar in selection. Wazz makes good points agree with all of them. I think if we're meant to not bet all KK here then I'd focus on unblocking board pairs at least as much, if not more than, blocking straights. Unblock his worse calling hands.

I think this is one of the best post I've read on 2+2 PLO in the past few months.

I like it because I agreed with OP arguments on his flop sizing, similar to munga, but I could appreciate wazz's arguments for betting bigger and it's great to see GTO agree with wazz. Also great to see the turn bet sizing as I agree with everyone that I'd lean towards full pot here and it's interesting to see the mix. 2/3 pot is not something I'd be considering here so I didn't like OP sizing at all.

River is such an interesting spot and I struggle with these spots.

Thank you all for your replies, thanks for the solve FlopHero. In this spot i'm going to simplify to b33 on the flop and if that is my sizing then I need to bet pot on the turn. Thanks for calling out my trivialization of the turn. I agree with wazz after reading his explanation, its a clear shove.

Not sure the differences between online and live .. but ..

1) Flop I'd go bigger for sure. I'm not a big 'pot' fan as an open, but this need to be big enough to make it easier to get stacks in if the Turn goes well. Don't really want to discourage QQ/JJxx hands from calling so pot is too much IMO. I want to go 3.50-5.00 depending on my history with V. So at 5 the pot is now 17.65 with 40 behind. Bad cards are 34689A, but how many of those are in PFR range?

2) Great Turn for action .. gives you the green light to make a V pay to continue. I like no less than $12-15 which will leave a very reasonable River bet of 2/3 pot at 28 and offer 2.5 to 1 to make a call. You don't want to go cheap here and offer Ace of Flush too good of odds. You also may end up GII if the opponent has picked up a set and/or wrap-ish type of draw.

3) The V check is just so weak and unlikely a trap. You see so few V go three streets of x/c and have a 5-card hand at Showdown. Players are going to bet their 5-card hands on the River! V dependent I can actually go as low as 10 for a crying call/bluff looking bet (and calling shoves) or 'now' just pot it and take any of the three results. We were more than willing to GII on Turn if it came to that so why not do so after the green light from the check. While I do think there may be some combinations of suits in the runout that would prompt a check back here I think you're safe to bet most of the time here. GL

Agree excellent post from FlopHero!

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Bigger sizes flop and turn and bombing river because we have nuts.

No 5 card PLO yet I assume? Any plans for it?

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SB should be checking 50% of time. What site is this? I'm always suspicious when a player at these steaks plays a hand perfectly when a human would have a hard time finding hands to c/c flop and turn.

I would size up on all streets - this isn't Hold Em. AA will take this line a fair amount of the time - I don't mind the river check back as there's not many hands he can call with, and maybe he has the random T8/QT here and there.

yeah sizing doesnt make sense here to me at all. bet 1/2 otf and pot the turn