Literally 2nd hand at the table. Never seen flop caller before and he vpip'ed the hand before and folded to a flop cbet.

$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($193.12)
CO ($59.90)
BTN ($41.33)
HeMan (SB) ($49.50)
BB ($84.05)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) HeMan is SB K 6 7 10
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.50, HeMan calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: 4 A 8 ($2, 4 players)
HeMan checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, BTN calls $2, HeMan raises to $10, BB folds, UTG calls $8, BTN folds

Turn: 2 ($24, 2 players)
HeMan ($39)?

I think I like flop c/r (full pot right?) here as it can build the small pot and I can dominate other FD. The problem with going for lead/3b on this flop is that just too often I'll get only called IMO.

My question is how to proceed on turn/riv with these stack sizes. If you do bet turn, what size do you advocate?

flop c/r is horrible - why would you want to bloat a pot OOP with just K hi?

NFD and gutter to the nut straight?

Ya I shouldn't really dignify this with a response, but we have a ton of equity against anything he can continue with. If you include any fold equity vs his range and the $$ in the pot, it's easily +EV.

I don't want this derailed, and would prefer the discussion to be focused on the turn/river options that are available. I guess you can talk about the flop affecting our predicament on the turn, but try to be a bit more thorough and constructive in the future please.

the pot is 4bb on the flop, I would rather keep it small that have to stick the rest of my money in with K hi on the turn and maybe like 12 outs to come.

K hi is good here a lot.

Well as played it's a full pot barrel at turn methinks.

I think you should c/r flop like a bit less than full pot with your whole c/r range. Then you can barrel less than full pot at turn and leave a bit of fold equity left to barrel missed rivers.

Without any reads on the table I prefer to just lead or call, but this is by all means NOT horrible, maybe not ideal as well. I just prefer to think of it as an alternative and radical approach to a problem with several solutions The only way you can make the flop c/r horrible is if you DONT pot the turn. You really leave yourself no other option when you get called. To back down now literally would be the equivalent of setting money on fire.

why would you wanna try to get it in on flops with decent equity when you can increase your winrate by playing more streets?

Alright, maybe I should reconsider my flop line then. Say you lead this hand, get called, you just continue to barrel such turns right? If you c/c the flop you just c/c such a turn eh?

I think I prefer leading to c/c personally as you at least have fold equity that way. If you do lead and get raised on the flop do you just call or 3b for half your stack OOP?

If you do c/c the flop, you get the cheapest shot at making your hand at which point you can probably just retake the initiative profitably against the monkeys at this limit.

As played though, at least my turn line was consistent with how many of you recommend. I indeed potted turn, he just called. River was offsuit 6, I just c/f for my last $15 to his river jam, he insta showed me Jd9d65 and I literally wanted to throw my keyboard through the ****ing window. Who just ships the last $15 and prays he doesn't call getting like 6:1?

i think you want to set yourself up to barrel the river with a good sized bet (or go for value if you hit)

maybe a smaller bet, like half pot on the turn is the best way to do it as you don't want to check and have a weaker hand commit making a big bet on the turn that you could force out on the river

leading or cring flop both fine, don't think one is superior, raising does seem superior to calling since half pot doesn't suggest a lot of strength here and gives you max F/E