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05-12-2022 , 03:15 AM
Hi all,

Table is splashy, one player especially so - V has 3! 556TJ and x/called a 2/3 pot jam on A-6-8 the same hand (hero folded a better hand).

This hand, short stack ($200) opens to $15, four callers including aforementioned splashy V, hero $70 in SB with KsQcJsTc8s, shorty jams $200 as expected, first caller calls the $200 (recreational, seems mediocre), and splashy V calls too. We are $900 eff. with splashy man and $550 eff. with mediocre rec. Wwyd?

Thanks,
DT
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05-13-2022 , 02:39 PM
I would call and see a flop.
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05-13-2022 , 05:16 PM
Jam if you think he's calling off hands like 99875 and these bad middling rundowns. Call if you're unsure. It's close. Doubt it matters much except for being able to fold the worst of flops but I'd rather get in pre if we're an equity favorite.
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05-14-2022 , 01:09 AM
Would call the initial bet, and call again as played. 3! is super thin and any equity we push, is mostly offset by our poor position. Like maybe if we see a flop 3w hero has 36% equity for example.
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05-14-2022 , 04:27 AM
Thanks everyone I think I was trying to force the action due to a hella run of card dreaded ness and went a little off the reserve. Results I jam, V tank calls AQJ87ss I lose.
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05-14-2022 , 06:19 AM
PS: put this hand into ppt and it does surprisingly poorly against even a 50% range.
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05-14-2022 , 05:53 PM
Naturally it does poor vs. that range but we can exclude the top ~7% from his range when he call/calls. If you look at the 7-50% hands, we're 53% vs. that.
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05-14-2022 , 10:01 PM
You are most definitely behind but maybe have pot odds to call with how close Omaha hands run together but also your chances go down dramatically vs 3 others. You have a hand that looks good but is marginal and will get you in trouble. You want to have at least an A or big pair in your hand to call I think. I don’t know the 5 card Omaha % though but in regular Omaha, K high hands without a pair get me in bad spots. You have to rely on an Ace flopping to draw to the nuts. Ace will only flop 27% of the time. So 73% of the flops you will be in a tough spot. Since it has to be a specific Ace it will be there even less than that.
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Yesterday , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Omahafish34
You have to rely on an Ace flopping to draw to the nuts. Ace will only flop 27% of the time. So 73% of the flops you will be in a tough spot. Since it has to be a specific Ace it will be there even less than that.
That, of course, is only in the case of a flush draw. This hand will get quite a bit of nut straights, nut wraps, good trips, and 2p+sd.

vs. reasonable ranges:


It's obviously at least a call considering we have to call $130 to win over $500.

But as you and moni noted, this is a poor 3-bet in the first place.
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