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I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :(

02-01-2009 , 03:35 PM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 25649
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BTN: $101.40
SB: $30.35
Hero (BB): $66.00
UTG: $248.05
CO: $94.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 3 3 A 6
UTG raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.50) 5 2 K (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.25, CO folds, Hero...?

How to play the flop?
Villain is basicly a fish.
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-01-2009 , 03:39 PM
I don't think I would c/r this flop. One of your hearts is dead and you only have a gutter. I might lead a flop like this to disguise your hand a little bit.
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02-01-2009 , 03:44 PM
How often is he folding to a lead?
how often to a 2 barrel ?

I like a lead, but if he is a fish fish, then by all means keep the pot small until you make a had, and then bomb it.
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-01-2009 , 07:25 PM
Fold pre-flop. Calling with this junk OOP is never profitable.

Would have to know how many hands UTG is raising pf and flop aggression, but vs an average opponent you're not getting odds to see a turn for a PSB on the flop so fold unless he c-bets with air a lot. Mix in occasional leads and c/raises, but the fact you can't continue on a flop that's relatively good for your hand shows why you shouldn't play it in the first place.
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02-01-2009 , 10:27 PM
Far from the nuts, but I guess that's an ironic title. As others have said, if villain is such a fish then surely you can find a better spot.
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-01-2009 , 11:17 PM
fold preflop.
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-02-2009 , 12:01 AM
fold pre as said, but lol at folding this flop. I don't see much wrong with potting it and getting it in, but calling is fine too. In addition to our gutshot we have 2 outs to a set which is likely good and it's hard for him to have a hand we're in bad shape against (KKxx only really). I mean, unless he's always got the nuts when he bets here, we either have good-ish equity vs his get it in range (11 nut outs + 2ish 3 outs + sometimes an ace is good) or we have a decent amount of fe + not awful equity vs his get it in range.

edit: assumed 100x stacks...130ish deep here I'm more likely to call, but I can't imagine ever folding here.
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-02-2009 , 01:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevepa
fold pre as said, but lol at folding this flop.

edit: assumed 100x stacks...130ish deep here I'm more likely to call, but I can't imagine ever folding here.
my thoughts exactly, except well does 130 bbs matter? what if you had 200 bbs? raise full pot, pray you don't get repotted. if so figure he's got a set and you have 12 clean. he's a total fish you so could even call a full pot bet getting 2-1 bc you can get the rest you need to break even/profit on the river.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurious
Hero...?

How to play the flop?
Villain is basicly a fish.
nothing wrong with potting getting it in. however. you have your own style. if your style is passive then go ahead and flat. if you don't want the vol and he rly is a fish there's nothing wrong with flatting and then leading when you hit. i don't like it and its def not the way i'd play it but that would be okay.

just try not to feel really really bad if you call two streets and miss and have to fold river, or call two streets, get home and then bet river and he folds to half pot bet.
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02-02-2009 , 02:27 AM
Wow bunch of nits saying to fold preflop rather than calling 2.5 bb more. If that's the case than how the hell will you ever learn to play hu?

I think c/r is better than c/c since any reasonable fish will think you're on a draw. C/r is more deceptive and will build a decent size pot to bet on the turn.

With that flop the villain probably has something like AK4x.
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02-02-2009 , 02:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChoo
Wow bunch of nits saying to fold preflop rather than calling 2.5 bb more. If that's the case than how the hell will you ever learn to play hu?

x.
huh? this is stereotypical hand for villains who want to call and try to flop the nuts, or a draw to the nuts, while they get robbed by anyone with any semblance of postflop competence. its a fit or fold type of hand that makes the nuts once in a blue moon, not the type of hand that will teach you how to play well hu oop.
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02-02-2009 , 02:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChoo
Wow bunch of nits saying to fold preflop rather than calling 2.5 bb more. If that's the case than how the hell will you ever learn to play hu?
wat
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02-02-2009 , 03:06 AM
Check/raising this flop is a play done without thinking much, if you think about the hand I think leading is the clear play barring some very specific read on villain.

And you're all nits for wanting him to fold preflop.
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-02-2009 , 03:10 AM
Muck pre bud!!
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-02-2009 , 05:57 AM
Any four cards with postion rapes this hand. If he is fishing, he just got a bite.
I can only stack off with the nuts on the flop :( Quote
02-02-2009 , 06:43 AM
dude you have 7 posts that you started on the front page.. take er easy

fold pf

c/c sounds good
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02-02-2009 , 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gordo16
dude you have 7 posts that you started on the front page.. take er easy

fold pf

c/c sounds good
1. yeah i know, did a longer session, there is no policy on that, so i thought i could post


so preflop is a fold by votes i guess

but PLO50 doesnt have any competent players, maybe 2-5, but not more than that and they are easy to spot. i guess i gotta get tighter oop.
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02-02-2009 , 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurious
1. yeah i know, did a longer session, there is no policy on that, so i thought i could post


so preflop is a fold by votes i guess

but PLO50 doesnt have any competent players, maybe 2-5, but not more than that and they are easy to spot. i guess i gotta get tighter oop.

I agree, maybe you will go from one of the donkey's to one of the 2-5 that are competent.
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02-03-2009 , 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm of Fear
I agree, maybe you will go from one of the donkey's to one of the 2-5 that are competent.
sick burn son
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02-03-2009 , 02:01 PM
you can't fold of course and it's hard to go wrong on the flop, but against an utg player who is full potting it into everyone and these stacks i would just call after he bets.

i dont really love leading with these stacks and relative positions. if utg cbets then everyone with dom'd flush draws will call and you can overcall to keep them in. but if you bet and he raises, everyone else is pushed out -- and this is not a spot where you want to get the money in on the flop with no fold equity.

preflop is definitely a fold, not even close
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02-03-2009 , 04:06 PM
This isn't so terrible to call preflop. You have squeeze position vs. the raiser, and he's apparently cbetting a lot. HU it's a fold though.
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02-03-2009 , 06:07 PM
C-raise flop.
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02-03-2009 , 06:55 PM
if he's a fish and has that much money in his stack I am certainly ready to gamble a little and play a big pot here. Probably c/r, get it in. If he flats then I ship most turns.

But yes, preflop is a fold.
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02-03-2009 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cts
you can't fold of course and it's hard to go wrong on the flop, but against an utg player who is full potting it into everyone and these stacks i would just call after he bets.

i dont really love leading with these stacks and relative positions. if utg cbets then everyone with dom'd flush draws will call and you can overcall to keep them in. but if you bet and he raises, everyone else is pushed out -- and this is not a spot where you want to get the money in on the flop with no fold equity.

preflop is definitely a fold, not even close
good post, u sound smart.. do u coach?
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02-03-2009 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by koOma
good post, u sound smart.. do u coach?
are you trolling every forum?
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02-03-2009 , 11:17 PM
fold pre. lol at the guy who said fold the flop. and i think leading is not good vs an unknown. I would check raise and ship the turn or check call
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