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08-24-2011 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeestein
gross, fold might even be best, good villains will be bluffing a % of the time on the river assuming u never have the nuts if u flat and raising this turn seems super gross too

not I'm not sure call/call is all that profitable either
Sigh, if this is a fold I've gotta tighten up a lot.

Edit: It's a gross spot regardless and really don't know what I do, but I know one of my biggest leaks is never folding in spots like these and I really can't imagine myself ever tossing this here. But I really don't see folding being best with position on the bettor.
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08-24-2011 , 01:39 AM
obv no one actually folds but whatever
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08-24-2011 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeestein
obv no one actually folds but whatever
That makes me feel a lot better
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08-24-2011 , 04:58 AM
I've got a $800 stack
villain has $161

Villain is playing 100% VPIP over 30 hands and bets every flop etc.

villain raises to $12, I 3bet k J T 9

villain flats

pot $72
Flop: 7 2 3

Villain has $127.25 remaining

I pot bet.

standard?
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08-24-2011 , 05:11 AM
Sounds fine to me.
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08-24-2011 , 07:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adiprene1
just to make sure, noone plays this any differently ever, right? villain is a random reg

Poker Stars, $5/$10 PL Omaha Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $2,834.50
SB: $2,405
BB: $3,076
UTG: $612
MP: $1,890.50
CO: $3,825

Pre-Flop: A 9 6 8 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO raises to $40, Hero raises to $147, 2 folds, CO calls $107

Flop: ($321) 3 6 2 (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets $190, CO raises to $888, Hero raises to $2,685.50 and is All-In, CO calls $1,797.50
Once he raises this big folding seems fine. You don't have odds to get this many bb's in.
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08-24-2011 , 09:37 AM
sit out strike thing being done at party 600nl tables over the rake changes and everything if anyone wants to join
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08-24-2011 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bullitos
Once he raises this big folding seems fine. You don't have odds to get this many bb's in.
how would you have played it if he raised it smaller? whats his range here pretty much {45xx, sets} agreed?
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08-24-2011 , 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adiprene1
just to make sure, noone plays this any differently ever, right? villain is a random reg

Poker Stars, $5/$10 PL Omaha Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $2,834.50
SB: $2,405
BB: $3,076
UTG: $612
MP: $1,890.50
CO: $3,825

Pre-Flop: A 9 6 8 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO raises to $40, Hero raises to $147, 2 folds, CO calls $107

Flop: ($321) 3 6 2 (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets $190, CO raises to $888, Hero raises to $2,685.50 and is All-In, CO calls $1,797.50
Have to fold to the raise unfortunately.
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08-24-2011 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier
BB: $8,041.00
UTG: $18,562.00
Hero (CO): $6,590.00
BTN: $4,650.00
SB: $8,491.00

SB posts SB $50.00, BB posts BB $50.00

Pre Flop: ($100.00) Hero has T J K 3

fold, Hero raises to $150.00, fold, SB raises to $500.00, fold, Hero calls $350.00

Flop: ($1050.00, 2 players) J 9 3
SB checks, Hero bets $675.00, SB calls $675.00

Turn: ($2400.00, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2400.00, 2 players) 4
SB checks,Hero?



Bet turn here? value on river? vs agro reg, prob views me the same
I like checking turn sometimes. Don't see value by river.
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08-24-2011 , 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Syous
I've got a $800 stack
villain has $161

Villain is playing 100% VPIP over 30 hands and bets every flop etc.

villain raises to $12, I 3bet k J T 9

villain flats

pot $72
Flop: 7 2 3

Villain has $127.25 remaining

I pot bet.

standard?
yeah def standard. He will fold some ace highs that have you smoked.
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08-24-2011 , 12:39 PM
BTN: $476.00
Hero (SB): $402.00
BB: $591.52
UTG: $1939.90
CO: $406.80

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with A 5 A 7
1 fold, CO raises to $14, BTN calls $14, Hero raises to $60, 1 fold, CO calls $46, BTN calls $46

Flop: ($184.00) Q 2 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $184.00

Correct?

They're both reggish.


UTG: $2018.98
Hero (CO): $679.05
BTN: $1189.55
SB: $606.00
BB: $954.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with J K Q Q
UTG raises to $21, Hero raises to $72, BTN calls $72, 2 folds, UTG calls $51

Flop: ($225.00) 5 4 T (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero ????

Here the overcaller is a reg and the other villain is a loose fish.

Last edited by oneforme; 08-24-2011 at 12:46 PM.
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08-24-2011 , 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adiprene1
just to make sure, noone plays this any differently ever, right? villain is a random reg

Poker Stars, $5/$10 PL Omaha Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $2,834.50
SB: $2,405
BB: $3,076
UTG: $612
MP: $1,890.50
CO: $3,825

Pre-Flop: A 9 6 8 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO raises to $40, Hero raises to $147, 2 folds, CO calls $107

Flop: ($321) 3 6 2 (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets $190, CO raises to $888, Hero raises to $2,685.50 and is All-In, CO calls $1,797.50
Question for people that are saying we have to fold to his x/raise, are you basically only stacking off with sets and straights? We only have those hands like 3% of the time if we're 3betting 15% or so. I know SPR was 9 on flop which is a bit deep, but how can CO not x/raise here profitably if we're folding even pair + nfd? If he raises $666 or $777 what's your play? As is, after our cb we need ~44% and have ~37% vs (45,66,33,22):35%. I assume he will also x/raise some bluffs, some blockers, and might stack-off with combo hand/draws (as few as these are, Kh6h+gutter)?

Last edited by orestto; 08-24-2011 at 02:21 PM.
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08-24-2011 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adiprene1
just to make sure, noone plays this any differently ever, right? villain is a random reg

Poker Stars, $5/$10 PL Omaha Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $2,834.50
SB: $2,405
BB: $3,076
UTG: $612
MP: $1,890.50
CO: $3,825

Pre-Flop: A 9 6 8 dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO raises to $40, Hero raises to $147, 2 folds, CO calls $107

Flop: ($321) 3 6 2 (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero bets $190, CO raises to $888, Hero raises to $2,685.50 and is All-In, CO calls $1,797.50

Only options are check back or bet/get it in IMO.
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08-24-2011 , 04:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by orestto
Question for people that are saying we have to fold to his x/raise, are you basically only stacking off with sets and straights? We only have those hands like 3% of the time if we're 3betting 15% or so. I know SPR was 9 on flop which is a bit deep, but how can CO not x/raise here profitably if we're folding even pair + nfd? If he raises $666 or $777 what's your play? As is, after our cb we need ~44% and have ~37% vs (45,66,33,22):35%. I assume he will also x/raise some bluffs, some blockers, and might stack-off with combo hand/draws (as few as these are, Kh6h+gutter)?
The thing is I don't think villian has any bluffs in his range with his sizing. If he did, this would be an easy ship.
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08-24-2011 , 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by orestto
Question for people that are saying we have to fold to his x/raise, are you basically only stacking off with sets and straights? We only have those hands like 3% of the time if we're 3betting 15% or so. I know SPR was 9 on flop which is a bit deep, but how can CO not x/raise here profitably if we're folding even pair + nfd? If he raises $666 or $777 what's your play? As is, after our cb we need ~44% and have ~37% vs (45,66,33,22):35%. I assume he will also x/raise some bluffs, some blockers, and might stack-off with combo hand/draws (as few as these are, Kh6h+gutter)?
yeah see what you're saying but in my experience he just wont stack off that light 3k deep. 888 doesnt really look like a b/f size either
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08-25-2011 , 04:26 AM
It's more interesting if villain would've raised to $600. Not sure what I do in that case, very tough.
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08-25-2011 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by oneforme
BTN: $476.00
Hero (SB): $402.00
BB: $591.52
UTG: $1939.90
CO: $406.80

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with A 5 A 7
1 fold, CO raises to $14, BTN calls $14, Hero raises to $60, 1 fold, CO calls $46, BTN calls $46

Flop: ($184.00) Q 2 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $184.00

Correct?

They're both reggish.


UTG: $2018.98
Hero (CO): $679.05
BTN: $1189.55
SB: $606.00
BB: $954.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with J K Q Q
UTG raises to $21, Hero raises to $72, BTN calls $72, 2 folds, UTG calls $51

Flop: ($225.00) 5 4 T (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero ????

Here the overcaller is a reg and the other villain is a loose fish.
Is potting in hand 1 best if you decide to cbet? I think cbetting is best, although very close. Don't think you win or loose much either way.

Hand 2: I'd check.
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08-25-2011 , 04:30 AM
UTG limper = fish

Isolating reg = a reg (don't rly know anything about his tendencies).

What's your play?



[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10432292

CO: $276 (69 bb)
Hero (BTN): $452 (113 bb)
SB: $558 (139.5 bb)
BB: $400 (100 bb)
UTG: $134.65 (33.7 bb)
MP: $403 (100.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q A K
UTG calls $4, MP raises to $16, CO folds, Hero raises to $58, SB calls $56, BB folds, UTG calls $54, MP calls $42

Flop: ($236) 8 J 4 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $52, MP raises to $345 and is all-in
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08-25-2011 , 02:05 PM
gut says fold
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08-25-2011 , 08:54 PM
did i played this to passively on the flop.
i kind of wanted to donk, but would hate to see a raise.
would it be a fold to a raise if i bet like 350 on flop?
villain is definitely good.

PL Omaha $10(BB)
Hero ($3,149)
($2,060)

Dealt to Hero T 7 A 8

raises to $30, Hero raises to $90, raises to $270, Hero calls $180

FLOP ($540) 5 J 9

Hero checks, bets $340, Hero calls $340

TURN ($1,220) 5 J 9 8

Hero checks, checks

RIVER ($1,220) 5 J 9 8 8

Hero checks, checks
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08-25-2011 , 09:33 PM
Jam flop imo. If you donk flop you should have odds to call a shove.
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08-25-2011 , 11:05 PM
Call flop, bet turn.
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08-26-2011 , 07:10 AM
Villain was playing 54/40 opening 27%, not sure about his 4b tendencies. Let's say he only 4bets AA, does that make this a fold?

What if he adds stuff like AKQ*ss/ds or KKQJds. I feel like I might have enough equity to call, but I'll make some mistakes vs. his range postflop whereas he never makes one. So is folding ok?

    Poker Stars, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10435982

    Hero (MP): $600 (100 bb)
    CO: $419 (69.8 bb)
    BTN: $1,010.65 (168.4 bb)
    SB: $243 (40.5 bb)
    BB: $1,010.75 (168.5 bb)
    UTG: $346.45 (57.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A Q J 9
    UTG raises to $21, Hero raises to $66, 4 folds, UTG raises to $207, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $141 pot
    UTG mucked and won $141 ($75 net)



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    08-26-2011 , 08:18 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2+2=5
    did i played this to passively on the flop.
    i kind of wanted to donk, but would hate to see a raise.
    would it be a fold to a raise if i bet like 350 on flop?
    villain is definitely good.

    PL Omaha $10(BB)
    Hero ($3,149)
    ($2,060)

    Dealt to Hero T 7 A 8

    raises to $30, Hero raises to $90, raises to $270, Hero calls $180

    FLOP ($540) 5 J 9

    Hero checks, bets $340, Hero calls $340

    TURN ($1,220) 5 J 9 8

    Hero checks, checks

    RIVER ($1,220) 5 J 9 8 8

    Hero checks, checks
    am i crazy for wanting to vbet river?
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