2/2 PLO - 9 handed (Timed rake)

I have $235. Everyone covers me.

UTG straddles to 5.

EP limps.

I'm in middle position. I pot to 24 with AQQ2 and 3 hearts (AQ2).

Table has some loose players so I get 6 calls lol including the blinds and straddle.

Flop ($168): T 3 2 rainbow

Checks to me.

There's 2 people left to act after me.

Am I just supposed to pot here?

I block Aces and bottom set.

SPR is 1.25.

With rake I'm just folding this hand pre, maybe we can overlimp with timed? Raising seems like the worst option since we really hate to get 3-bet playing this short. As played flop is kinda gross either way, do we have BDFD? If not might be better off checking and hoping to spike a Q or 2

absolutely do not pot unless you wanna go broke/gamble against draws/twopair/sets. If you know the table's loose, just call pre to try and setmine or see a 2 heart flush.
After raising like that pre and potting on a dry board, you're basically telling everyone "I have a big overpair".
Hands like A456, 3355, even j1045ds will all suck you out on the turn or the river. I'd only raise pre in your spot if it was double suited or had a broadway instead of a 2.

Definitely limp in pre with that hand. As played, just check and see what happens -- get ready to fold.

Pre-flop raise is fine and I prefer it over limp.

Shoving flop as played.

I guess given how raggedy this flop is, shoving after potting pre is not a bad idea.

fold pre? wtf?

What you think you are playing texas holdem? Its the easiest check ever. I would not fold pre though hand to strong but why cb post? One pair is not that great in plo unless you were hu in low spr situation

It's a pretty weird situation since 7 players are never supposed to see the flop together in theory.

With SPR of 1.25 i think shoving what is likely the biggest overpair with mild redraw potential in wheel/broadway/flush and even boats or trips is probably +ev.

Other viewpoints are reasonable. Poor visibility on the turn is a good reason to shove flop since we may fail to realize our equity with more passive lines.

Shove also has the benefit of folding out decent-equity hands who are pressured into folding because there is so much action behind them.

I agree with all of this, and additionally, whilst someone may have a 45-type wrap, I think this is unlikely, so we are really just worried about being up against two pairs or sets, and we have decent equity against 2 pairs and if someone has a set good on them. We have a 2-pair, set blocker as well. If we check, we are giving up our equity, and that equity could be very high.

I like shoving in this low SPR spot for the reasons mentioned above.

In the actual hand, I bet 50. I didn't realize the SPR was so low. The straddle threw me off.

After I bet 50, I looked at the rest of my stack and thought, "Wow, I only have 160 left! Maybe I should've just shoved."

Is 50 much worse than just potting for 168?

Yes. For several different reasons.

If one of the players behind you is likely enough to bet if checked to, then betting is dumb.

Reads are paramount here. We can safely assume most of your villains are fish, but the right play will depend on their particular varieties of fishiness.

I wouldn’t feel good about putting this in on the flop. Also just limp pre at that kinda table.

Seven way spots are uncommon but essentially you want to have the right feel for frequencies and stack off ratios with a bunch of people in the hand for various SPRs

No one here can teach you that, you gotta play around with pro poker tools and their questions feature and see roughly what kind of hands you run into at what frequency. That will help you get a feel for it and handle these spots better.

What is your image? Are they going to assume you have AA or will you show up with other holdings? Would AA/KKxx holdings have attacked your open PF?
Are you going to reload? Are you a habitual short stack?

I don't see how you can let 'this' Flop go by without driving out as many as you can. TT is the worst case scenario and (oh well) that's just poker. Yes, anyone with 45 blocks pairing your Ace .. but you already have an over-pair so you don't 'need' to hit an Ace anyway. And any Players who actually do put you on AA will know that two of their outs are gone. Anyone with KK may fold out unless they have a T also .. especially if you get a wrap to call/shove first to isolate.

While it's not ideal since you will have crumbs behind you need to pot this and hang on. I would love for a Txxx to try to isolate you, thinking you have AA and they have a Flip going to the Turn (basically) with 3 live cards and backdoors.

While you will run into TT and a 'courageous' KK (who will undoubtedly say "I thought you had AA but there was just too much money out there") I would hope that most AAxx holdings would've tried to isolate PF unless just 'bad' Aces.

Yes, these are not fun spots mathematically since it is hard for you to improve, but I'm just not inclined to offer all those holdings a free pass on this Board.


As far as putting $50 out there I can see a couple of things ..
1) It allows another Player to 'pot' and get you all-in rather than just call your 'pot' bet .. only you know if this could happen in your Player Pool. IMO (in my Pool) I would see Tx hands re-pot a pot bet way more often than I would see them pot a stab bet, which is not good for us since it allows all the other Players to see the Turn on the cheap.

2) You can evaluate who creates action behind and possibly make an exploitative fold.


When you potted PF you sent a message .. This is about as good as it gets for a Board when you do that, so I would continue. If they show up with Tx two pair then God Bless them and let's do it again over and over and over. But IMO it's really unwise to bloat the pot PF and then give a free/cheap equity boost to so many Players who should be folding out here because they missed or out of fear of what might happen behind them. GL

2) Whether potted into or

There more I think about it, I think pot is much better than $50 or check because I could get KK (or the rare QQ) to fold.

Also, from a GTO perspective, I have to pot to protect my AA because I would play AA and my AKK and AQQ the same way. I won't play all of my AKK and AQQ but I will play a lot of them. To stay balanced with my AA, I need to pot on the flop with all my AKK and AQQ that I raise pre.

Solvers greatly prefer large sizing in multiway pots on dynamic textures. It's hard to construct reasonable ranges for small bets from most positions and bettor can lose lots of value when he runs into good draws or dominated hands that are happy to play pot control.

Hero hand from OP also has horrible visibility on turns, so instead of having a mostly positive + ev decision on flop, Hero now faces lots of challenging decisions on turn when called he will frequently get wrong

Even this post doesn't cover all the reasons that pot is much better than $50

Agree with limp pre. Flop is close, I think I prefer check fold.

Shoving can put players into a spot where they have to fold better. We can also get called by hands we are flipping with which is another good result. Also, everyone could fold. I wouldn’t be surprised if shove is +EV.