A 2/5 plo vs 2/5 nl game is plo play around 33% bigger?

Define what makes a game bigger

How big a game gets is directly related to the max buy in and whether players are willing to stay when they get deep. On average I'd say PLO plays twice as big but every region is going to be different.

it depends but i'd say more like 2 to 4x bigger

Wow so like a good pro makes I think 7.5/12.5 bbs an hour would a good plo pros hourly at same stakes be twice that so fr 2/5 $50 for nl and $100 for plo?

Thanks so much

$100/hr. is possible at $1/$2 $5 bring in plo5.

Thanks!

Dumbo would you say 10% of pros who play primarily plo5 1/2/5brigin. make that? Is plo5 more profitable than plo4 if yes what if that same percent of plo4 players make at 1/2/5. Appreciate.

Probably top 2% making $100 a hour. Top 10% closer to $60-$75. Couldn’t say plo4, don’t play.

avg pot size

I would see a 2/5 PLO game as roughly equivalent to a 5/T NL game.

I appreciate.

That can't be anywhere close to accurate. I postulate the following based solely on my years of observation.

The top 5% of players make on average $50 an hour

Between the 5% and 15% percentile make on average $15 an hour

Between the 15% and 25% percentile basically break even or small winners or small losers

The bottom 75% of players are all losing money on a regular and consistent basis

Our games may play differently. Also I play PLO5. I know a top crusher in my games who makes $100 an hour over a large sample. I am around $80 over a decent sample (2,000 hours).

I asked out of pros.

Under the IRS definition, a professional gambler is someone who devotes a substantial amount of time to gambling and treats it as a business.

I really don't see the difference between this definition of a "pro" and the vast majority of recreational players who play regularly in the casinos. However, if you are defining a "pro" to be someone who attempts to derive the majority of their income primarily by playing poker, then perhaps that group of players do have slightly better results than I was estimating, but only slightly so. Most of the every day players in a casino have other sources of income, although they spend the majority of their time sitting around playing cards. I doubt the vast majority of "pros" as you are defining them make much more money than they could earn as a shift manager at McDonalds. Yeah, there are a few elite "pros" at the top of the food chain doing really well, but they are the outliers. The vast majority of the rest are just grinding out minimum wage and saving nothing.

TL;DR Don't quit your day job to become a poker pro.

You can make six figures playing PLO if you have access to good games and know what you are doing. How do I know this? I have a full time job and have been doing it for 6 consecutive years. I also know many other players in the player pool making six figures a year playing PLO. I agree with the poster above who estimated 75% of players are losing money. It might even be higher, but if you play well you can do it. Also before transitioning to PLO in 2017, I played 5/10 NL for years. The PLO 1/3/6 game I play in now plays a lot bigger than 5/10 NL in my opinion. Swings are much higher and the worst players play considerably worse in PLO than in NL.

Thanks.. yeah I'm trying to gauge a hourly. A pro should beat that player not slightly but 100 percent of the time jj. You probably got confused but that's ok. �� Thanks Bull I was kind of thinking around the same as 5/10 but alot bigger?! Wow... That's good info. Appreciate it alot.

I haven't played full time in awhile and have a lot of free time on my hands so yeah again trying to get a general idea of an hourly at that stake without being in action... As best I can at least.

Nope, I'm not confused at all. Obviously it depends on the game, but most of the "pros" I know grinding it out aren't really much better than the regular recs who play every day. Most pros delude themselves into thinking that they are better than they are. The only advice I'll give you if you're serious about trying to "go pro", is to make sure your bankroll is big enough to withstand the variance that the good and observant recs who know you're scared money playing on a limited bankroll will put on you. I find playing against the "pros" quite easy for that reason. Most of the pros at the stakes we are talking about don't have unlimited money for poker, unlike some of the good recs.

Sorry... Jj. I've played fulltime and have to say maybe you think your seeing it correctly so I appreciate the advice for sure not questioning you there. But, I have to disagree a pro welcomes these types of recs as they're the ones spotted. Mostly all recs from lowest stakes on down is the opposite in that they actually don't have extra money for poker as well. I wouldn't say your confused you just are operating from your limited experience.. so again appreciate the thought and time given to me.

DumbosTrunk you seem like an above average player and I wish you the best ... but statistically 2k hrs seems like a mediocre sample size for live NLHE. The player pool not being as big might help, but not enough.


To OP: Humans are terrible at randomness and you are going to get a lot of biases in replies.

I think with sample size hours you should get a good idea at about 500 hours at what level your at for a certain stake. As the hours go on you should improve. Could be way off base but just from my experience I highly doubt that

Mine at the lowest stake I play is $50 an hour over a 4,500 hour sample, so It's going up... hopefully a sign I am getting better! Also hopefully a better sample size for the doubters.

Again, we'll never know our true winrate and live variance yaddah yaddah but it's something.

In my area you can find some 1/2 tables with more chips (and action) on them than the 2/5 NL games.

We don't really have any 2/5 PLO, but the 1/3 PLO plays 'plenty' big once the stacks start to grow. The fickle Player pool just doesn't want to play with a BI of more than $500 allowed. That doesn't stop from having 10-12K on the table. And IMO, that's where good Players can take advantage of deep stack play mistakes that are bound to come from too much folding or putting it in too light.

% bigger? I'd say your opportunities to earn (so to speak) come along 4-7 times more often in the PLO games than the 2/5 NL games while $150-400 size 1/2 NL hands come around 2-4 times an orbit at the right tables.

I'd say that 1/2 and 2/5 move just as many chips around in any given hour, but you'd experience smaller swings in 1/2. Compared to 3-4x the amount of chip movement in an average PLO game.

You ask a standard "It depends" question .. Pros need to be versed in all the games available in their rooms AND also (more importantly) be able to game select for 'today's' max value. GL

In 2-2 PLO in parx casino I think a solid winner can win 2x of what a 1-3 NLH solid winner.