This is far less of an issue in live NLH. My VPIP is around 25%, which matches my opponents.

In live PLO, my opponents' VPIP is around 50%. I try very hard to keep mine above 25%. I play a lot of hands that y'all yell at me to fold pre.

I go for thin value (often incorrectly). I'm aggressive and raise-bluff more often than most. I BTN straddle every time. I buy in for the initial maximum of 1,000 in 5-5 and usually top off. And I stay present and social in the game (I stay off my phone).

But if I'm ever card dead, someone wants to call me a nit. This happens more often when I'm winning. Is there any way to avoid this or a good way to deal with it?

Who cares what they think? Play your game. I get called nitty too and usually it's losing regs who know I don't tend to put my money in bad.

Also exploit this image with more small bluffs. I've been having a lot of success with small/medium river bets. People always think Im trying to milk them and I have air. Do a big sigh, look at your hand, and mumble to yourself about how you should have played it better when they ask you if you had the nuts as they fold. Embrace the nit.


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Take these forums with a grain of salt - everyone has an opinion, and very few are valuable. Also when you're playing highly exploitative games you want to play highly exploitative to take advantage - live games are so player specific that you usually know better than us what to do. I don't think these forums should be about specific hand advice but getting you to think deeper about spots - the more deep conversation that goes on the better we all get

when they call you a nit it means you didn't pay them off. when they stop paying you off or giving you any kind of action is when you have a problem. make sure the second thing is happening and not just the first.

if you are playing in a regular pool and are one of the tighter players in the pool, you will be considered a nit whether your VPIP is 25 or 40. i have realized this is one of the downsides of loose, fishy private games with a small pool - yes, players are bad, but they also see enough of you that they will start giving you less action, it's kind of unavoidable.

Something I battle with too

I think about it like this, someone could call me a nit for folding J7 suited to a pfr in 2009 in holdem.

And we all laugh at how crazy that sounds and where holdem is at today.

So when you fold hands in todays PLO that equate to that analogy and get called a NIT like it probably means you are in a good game, cause most NLH players would jump at the opportunity to get into a game where J7ss is a call for the player pool.

So I don't think we can totally disregard antagonizing comments from others. I remember Tom Dwan commentating on a livestream, "You have to find ways to gamble." He spews it up on TV but knows it's correct to play solid. He gets invited to big games while other big pros don't.

But y'all are right. If we're in a consistently good game and not spewing like everyone else, we're going to be tagged as a nit.

What I sometimes try to do in these situations is attack them back. A few nights ago, someone called me "the tightest PLO player ever" as I racked up with a $3,500 profit after playing for six hours (I never lost a big hand that session). If I wasn't irritated by his comment, I could've pointed out that he was playing scared and buying in $300 at a time (in a 5-5 game).

1) Tom Dwan is a somewhat good example, as he gets invited to every game, partly due to his rep. But you dont wanna be him, the dude appears to be as washed as it gets judging from the latest Hustler live streams (where he ran like god and crushed but played piss poor). He also has that scammy vibe nowadays.

2) I mean, if you win big and they lose, let them comment and diss you a little bit. Its human nature, no need to rub it in...

3) to answer your question though, I think the best way is to study the game. I find PLO to be extremely complex, impossible to memorize solutions, but two things stand out imo:
-first, if you play too many hands, you are whaling off. No chance to win in the long run.
-second, even if you play fewer hands, the correct play is often to defend lots of that range and end up bluffing a lot as well. If you do that, you will not be known as a nit. Although you play few hands.

I bluff more often than most heads-up or 3-way. (I also value bet too thin and call down too light—NLH habits.)

But most flops are super multi-way: 4 or more players. So I end up only playing or drawing to the nuts. When I don't, I get smoked.

well, thats the nature of the game multiway...
Sometimes I feel that live PLO is not really poker anymore, it just needs to be played as a farming game bc almost always the nuts are out due to the multiway character and you just profit by the stupidity of your opponents not being able to fold a second best hand. Its really not sophisticated or complicated.

If you happen to play with people who dont realize that on a regular basis and who call it off with dominated draws or **** like dry top two pair multiway, then let them call you a nit and just keep playing that way, by all means...

I know a good high stakes pro who shares the same sentiment. He doesn't like to play PLO because "there's no poker—you just make hands."

So you want to stop people *THINKING* you're a nit. Not to actually play more loose?

it's weak advice, but I suggest more table talk whenever you're putting money in. Draw attention to when it happens; make it sound like it's a bad idea. "Oh I suppose I'll pay you off one street" "This hand is perfect for an 8-high flop" "I am trying to hit 2 pair" etc. etc.

Last month a player started complaining "fold fold fold! of course you fold!" ... what else can I say "ya, i just can't beat you so I have to fold all the time! Please play worse!"