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04-30-2024 , 09:14 AM
Ignition - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 144.6 BB
BTN: 190.44 BB
SB: 147.88 BB
BB: 97.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K J Q 7

Hero raises to 3.4 BB, BTN raises to 11.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 8.2 BB

Flop: (24.6 BB, 2 players) Q A 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 11.72 BB, Hero calls 11.72 BB

Turn: (48.04 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 22.84 BB, Hero raises to 114.16 BB, BTN raises to 167.12 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 7.12 BB and is all-in


I haven't gotten to the post-flop section of JNandez' book, but if there's a two-flush board, but the A is offsuit, is villain more weighted to the nut flush draw + pair of Aces?

Looking back, I think the turn is just a call. But I'm not sure how to play rivers.
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04-30-2024 , 09:48 AM
I think shove doesnt accomplish much.

To me this is very villain dependant, if a guy is more spazzy i might just call turn. Raw equity wise its very close, when i expect not much implied odds then i just fold, especially against a honest tight reg.

Gto actually folds your hand on the flop and calls if you have 2 backdoor flushes.
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04-30-2024 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by J0hny
I think shove doesnt accomplish much.

To me this is very villain dependant, if a guy is more spazzy i might just call turn. Raw equity wise its very close, when i expect not much implied odds then i just fold, especially against a honest tight reg.

Gto actually folds your hand on the flop and calls if you have 2 backdoor flushes.
Ya, I'm not a fan of the shove because I wasn't really expecting him to fold.

If I call turn, do I also have to call any river that gives me a flush, straight, trips, or two pair?
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04-30-2024 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MegaWhale69

If I call turn, do I also have to call any river that gives me a flush, straight, trips, or two pair?
In theory, i dont really know.

In real life people are rather honest, 3bet and 3 barrel here, i like to believe his story.

What i mean is, we dont beat any of his value if we call down 2p or trips and he has few bluffs.
So i just call down straight and cry call flush.

Thats in a vacuum, if have more info or some maniac, its a completely different story.
I might even donk shove some rivers for value when i hit vs some profiles.
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04-30-2024 , 10:26 AM
I'd fold the flop here - as played you turn equity but you're in a really tough spot due to the marginal flop call. I think I just call the turn - I think his Ax hands that aren't 2 pair/good draw check back the turn, so you're jamming into a range of either hands you're ahead of that snap fold or hands that have you in bad shape.
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04-30-2024 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
I'd fold the flop here - as played you turn equity but you're in a really tough spot due to the marginal flop call. I think I just call the turn - I think his Ax hands that aren't 2 pair/good draw check back the turn, so you're jamming into a range of either hands you're ahead of that snap fold or hands that have you in bad shape.
This. You are drawing to a gutter and non-NF backdoor as you are up against AA/AQ with add'l draws or AKJx/AJ10x type of hands a lot of the time. If V has shown a lot of aggression and 3b your CO raises a lot, I'd rather mix in a raise or two here occasionally rather than a call.
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05-02-2024 , 10:41 AM
I guess we can lean on 'V dependent' but you're really asking for lots of things to line up to win long term. 2 of your 2-pr outs make Broadway or 'typically' Aces-up for V .. so we routing for a 7? And while the bd flush is a decent Plan B at 50% pot I'm not so sure we are 25% to win here enough.

1) Yes, you are 4-handed with supposed wider ranges
2) No, you don't have to have nutted redraws or you'll be folding too much .. the issue is the over-card IMO.

Just one of those Flops where you'd rather hit it harder or 'less' (no pair, different BW card).

Can't call Kettle Black since I don't mind flatting the 1/2 pot bets on Flop and Turn, but by raising you are assuming you are at worst 40-60 with only one pair? V isn't really going to give you credit for a Wheel .. so what did the 2 change other than give you a flush draw, which is probably knowingly behind to most PLO Players.

Yes, I can fold the Flop but I can also continue .. just not raising Turn against this Board with action AP. GL
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