good for u.. im only about 130 BIs below EV

everytime i see an allin ev graph i think either

a) whos hoggin all the rungood
or
b) HEM allin ev is broken

c) poker is rigged

and the answer is ... b) !!

Don't look if you don't want to know whether or not you really ran bad.

Have you ever tested the 2 methods ? Cause I did on 2 different 100k sample and the difference between the 2 of them is a few bi nothing more.

20buck spin just never loses.
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $4(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($607)
BB ($410)
UTG ($227)
UTG+1 ($486)
CO ($200)
BTN ($883)

Dealt to Hero A 3 J A

fold, UTG+1 raises to $14, fold, BTN raises to $48, Hero raises to $162, fold, fold, BTN calls $114

FLOP ($342) 6 6 5

Hero bets $132, BTN raises to $721 (AI), Hero calls $313 (AI)

TURN ($1,233) 6 6 5 T

RIVER ($1,233) 6 6 5 T 8

BTN shows 7 9 5 4
(Pre 43%, Flop 38.2%, Turn 22.5%)

Hero shows A 3 J A
(Pre 57%, Flop 61.8%, Turn 77.5%)

BTN wins $1,230

havent actually ... Im surprised, prior to you saying this, I would have been willing to lay a (relatively) descent bet that pokerEV wouldnt be out by more than 10% (ev versus actual winnings) over a 100k hand sample at a given stake. Whereas hem allin ev can be quite wild.

I tested with both a lot during my -200 BI Below ev stretch and the difference between them was imo negligible considering the amount of BI and hands involved. It was less than 10% for sure.

This is really interesting. I'd expected a much bigger difference.

normally we think that over 5,000 hands anything can happen, but over 100,000 hands the luck evens out. but maybe it's not like that. i think you need bigger samples for even crazier variance. like if someone runs bad over 20k hands... then it's possible, so maybe it will happen the same way over the next 20k hands. then over even more hands u got even crazier variance.

no wayyyy broooo, you just blew my miiiind

THANKS BRO YOU REALLY FLICKED THE LIGHT ON FOR ME

HEADEXPLODE gIFF PLZ

what's up with the bros?

it's all about BRAH

I give up at plo... everytime i play anything above 5-10 im instant doomed\

Alos there can be anyone who runs half as bad when it matters as myself

i was just coming out of a big downswing, very happy when this guy starts raising into me here.. i mean come on. with the 3 bet PF he prob puts me on AA.. which is right but come on.. cooler


Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Thanks4Coming (UTG): $159.80
eddy81 (CO): $240.60
Bari Bari Bari (BTN): $708.60
Hero (SB): $297.40
Xromit (BB): $296.80

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with Q Q A A
2 folds, Bari Bari Bari raises to $8, Hero raises to $28, 1 fold, Bari Bari Bari calls $20

Flop: ($60.00) 6 6 K (2 players)
Hero checks, Bari Bari Bari checks

Turn: ($60.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Bari Bari Bari raises to $68, Hero raises to $264, Bari Bari Bari raises to $460, Hero calls $5.40 all in

River: ($598.80) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $598.80
Bari Bari Bari shows T K K 5 (a full house, Kings full of Sixes)
Hero shows Q Q A A (a full house, Queens full of Sixes)
Bari Bari Bari wins $595.80
(Rake: $3.00)

I TAKE BACK EVERYTHING! I LOVE YOU PLO!

PLEASE FORGIVE ME!

Too late, you're already ****ed

haha

I have a 100k sample at midstakes where pokerEV said i was 100BI below EV and HEM said i was only 40BI below. Pretty significant difference, mainly coming from a significant amount of pots being bloated pre (with AA hands for example) for roughly 1/2 stack, opponent hitting a good flop (eg 2:1 fav) and getting it in. This would be a breakeven play in pokerEV but a -0.3BI EV play in HEM.

It's already been proven that a proper sample size is ~10,000,000 hands. Don't really understand why this is still being discussed.

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