haha A++

mbn

GIFs were well chosen although none made me laugh. I was too gripped. Cinematic.

Play money allowed in the USA#1

jk, nh

I enjoyed, would read HH again.

Moar HHs ITT!!!


#MakePLOGreatAgain

10-25 50 on the button PLO hand from about a month ago.

sb calls, I pot AhAxJx6h to 200, utg 3! to 500, utg+1 calls, folds to me in bb I repot to 2100, utg calls, utg+1 calls. 6400 in middle going to the flop. utg has 2k left and utg+1 has 4.5k left.

Flop: Q72hhh; I lead 2800, utg folds, utg+1 goes all in 4500, I call. He says did you flop it? I say yup. He says well im drawing dead and mucks K high flush with no redraw.

just want to say there's lot of "botters" or something like that still at midstakes. they're bit harder to spot than before, i really would like schwein to look those trough again if its possible? i don't know how he actually did prove them to bots (or whatever they were) for stars last time.

i have few conversations with his / their accounts, sometimes they do speak ok english, and sometimes they just say they dont speak english, they're also started to chat to theirselver instantly after i did warm him/them in chat about botting things first.

they all use word combination wtf very much, and a word bud means but for example.

i have spotted some interesting/similar things about their _postflop_ game and i have plenty of handhistories about those accounts.

i still dont have any 100% proof evidence about those, so i wont say or show nicks, most of, but not all of accounts are from russian or ukraine.

i post here, because i really dont know what to do/how to bust them, because stars does nothing, just like last time when i did say about those already banned botters to them like ~6months before they got banned/schwein posted thread there about that, i was one of biggest loosers for them last time, i dont want it to happen again.

imo it is naive to think there's no cheating or stuff at stars, when it happens all the time in another networks.

here's a screenshot about one spot, where he kind of busted himself. after that this he become crazy, just like seregax did always too, when i did warm him chat about this matter. told me to suck his dick in another table, i have never chatted with this account about any this kind of matter before that.

Jesus christ, have enough HUD stats?

on visible, not. at ~60 pop ups, almost

@pasta
I saw 1 new face with high aggression like seregaxx which is wierd cause how will be someone a midstakes reg from nowhere, with a new account right?
But i only played one session with him and we played HU a bit which was wierd again cause regs dont play hu eachother in MS. Anyway he was just overaggro so i dont mind playing with him even if he is some kind of bot.

it's likely that overaggro account aren't part of this, most those do play pretty solid plo, and could be ~breakeven players without possible card sharing also.

there's at least 2"bot" accounts playing ~all the time at normal tables, more accounts, when there's more action.

guy/guys behind this does change accounts ~every day, and does not play with a pair at every table, because it is way more likely to get busted that way, so that's obvious.

all accounts aren't very new ones. for example 2 accounts, who're multitabling 100-600, and waiting alone at 200-400 more often than others, are part of this ring, they have been playing there like 1year.

they're finding "extra" edge by playing hands when they don't block each other, opening crappy hands from utg to make pot bigger to another account with a good hand behind, and things like that you could imagine. if they'd shared cards everyspot, to result that they run above ev, he/they do know he would get busted really quick, so if some of those are running below or above ev for example, it proves nothing.

there's accounts at 25/50c-10/20$ at normal tables, and at zoom 200-500 too, pretty sure at lower stakes @zoom too, i played at 100 or lower zoom last time maybe 3years ago, so i cant know that very good. accounts are from 6 countries at least.

i wouldn't write with my own nick if i wasn't sure about this, and im still doing fine at plo, but i'd like to keep playing in future also, wich is not possible if things does not change there. i have proved once already that games could die very fast, used to play game called telesina for living, wich has almost as much action as plo at its best times @igt/entraction/b2b network.

That has to be the most lol HUD ive ever seen

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Sounds pretty alarming, but don't get the bot part: do u suspect they use some kind of decision suggesting software or rather collusion like u described?

i think there's a human behind the screen most of time at normal tables at least, at zoom it could be there's not a human behind the screen even half of the time. i hope someone knows that stuff better than i. sometimes those accounts who do wait always at empty 200-400 tables, they do go sit out even if there comes a big fish, and still keeps playing in another tables, even on the morning when there's not much action, wich is very suspicious.

^as i told it is suspicious to me, i tried to ask about that few days ago from his another account.

Ohh **** this is ugly if true or I mean not surprised by any mean..good job pasta trying to catch those mofos with help of schwein and Grethe.

Btw, why the fk u need 60 popups?? I have about 5-6 stats in HUD and 1 popup and thats enough imo

i think i had a seizure opening that imgur with huds

Played 30k hands on 100plo regular tables recently and told a couple friends 5 days ago that I think there is collusion or colluding bots there

Pastafiore suspected the previous bot ring and notified Stars about it long before the thread came out so I respect his judgement.

Please send me stats of suspected accounts guys. I'm not supernatural undercover Stars integrity team, however if the sample is big enough, I think my datamodel is solid (especially with the data from former known bots).

ty for positive feedback guys!

they have a lot of different styles, so std. preflop/normal cbet stats tells you absolutely nothing for example, or what else stats do you mean?

Pasta, please pm me with the names of the players you suspect of foul play, thanks. ~

This looks like something that should be in an art museum

why would/should i? can you help us solving this somehow, or? i will share nothing by pm, before telling own stars nick. there's only few guys who do know part of nicks for sure yet.

I'm using around 30 different stats - mainly postflop. I think it's best not to share the stats in public, so you will have to trust me with stats/HH's.

Also, as a friendly reminder, the chat is close to irrelevant in bot-cases. We have seen lots of examples of bots that used the chat; Samantha, FedorZay, emper0r, 4some etc.