+1, ty.

A+

would totally print out and tape to my not-yet broken monitor if I could still play here in the states. thanks for sharing.

I think for the vast majority of ppl it is much more effective to just quit when necessary instead of trying to neglect how they run.

that first paragraph is ****ing tremendous.

BFT, bookmarked for truth. Last paragraph is the voice of experience for sure.

I am not really sure where everyone is coming from on this post they love so much. Who do you know was once a tilt monster, but now, through their PLO career, has become a calm and controlled player?

Buddha did, oh wait

Nice post still

that stuff is all good, but i never get to do much with it in practice

and usually everyone is all oooh aaah so good, and then continues in theyr old ways.

People stick with their old ways because it is sooo much easier. Letting go of ego is ridiculously hard. Reading a post on 2+2, or every book written on the topic for that matter, isn't going to get it done. It's a life long process achieved through deliberate practice.

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i dunno, can relate reallllly concisely with what he wrote so I like it, and think it is true because it has been my experience... if it hadn't been or if I didn't relate I'd probably think nothing of it as well, to each his own.

what do you mean when you say "to each his own"?

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taking suggestions for 2500th milestone post

just mean I could see how people wouldn't read much into his post who have had different experiences with poker.

Never reaching it would be much preferred than anything else.

I tilted off a 100k roll at 5/10 and 10/20. And that was NL a few years ago. Worked really hard at it, and now im still a tilter at times, but nowhere near as bad as i used to be.

He isn't describing an experience, he is telling people how they should think.

He is describing his experience and expressing the opinion that follows... that this is a common experience, best handled the way he describes vs. the way most people approach...... some agree, some don't, seems pretty innocuous to me.... nothing to get hung up over, I just happen to buy to what he is selling.

I mean isn't this forum designed to elicit exactly that kind of advice, you can always take it or leave it.

It was a great post. That is probably the most eloquent and insightful way I've ever seen advocating the neccessity of being process oriented rather than results oriented. Sayid is kind of right that simply recognizing what the right mindset doesn't mean you can embody it, but knowing what to strive for can only help, and I do believe if you put enough work in and do enough self-talk it's possible to gradually move yourself towards the proper mindset even if you start out as emotional, results oriented tilt monkey, like I was, and despite all my knowledge and hard work on the subject, unfortunately still am for the most part. They are definitely times now though when I'm play where I'm in the zone, in a zen type state, and just care about making good +EV decisions, and don't let short term results affect me much.

Just describing a path. This is a description of my experience. It is possible to de-construct tilt and soul crushing through careful observations of one's own psychological, emotional, and biological responses. You can choose to change your perception, and thus change the experience of PLO. I am quite aware that such an approach is not palatable for many people. Even so, everyone is capable of becoming aware enough of the dynamic to stop chasing the dragon and lose interest in worrying about the extremes of variance. It's like going sailing and complaining about the wind changing direction. It is an obsession, and it can be dropped. The question is whether you really prefer a life without obsessions and compulsions? Once you are aware of what is going on, then you can say "I choose this." Then you have accepted responsibility; and over the years the muttering gradually fades into silence. To each his own

awesome posts sir

I def tilt way more often, and assume it´s like that for most ppl. For me it all comes down to detecting tilt asap and being able to quit.

Same old boring discussion. I always feel that the people preaching are those who ran hotter than the sun and have no clue and not experienced sustained long losing streak.

I'd really want to see some of their lifetime graph with the little thing called ev on it.

Agree with most on here about developing discipline. busted 4-5 figure rolls nonstop, once lost 3200 in bodog blackjack in 10 mins. I Finally decided to work on my tilt problems. took 1 week and worked on my emotional game with jared tendler stuff and other books and it was like an epiphany I guess. From than on it was a gradual improvement. I still had my meltdowns, but they were nowhere as severe as the preceding meltdowns. As months went by, I felt myself more and more immune to tilt problems. I still tilt from time to time, but it is nowhere near as bad or as destructive as 2-3 years ago.
Discipline is a skill you develop and train over time. Rare that someone is born with it. So work hard, play hard I guess.

Chronic