Youre in a great situation to have so many different games available to you at your home casino. Many players don’t have the option to jump to different games even if they wanted to. Kudos to you for taking advantage.

How much did you buy in at the 50/50/100 PLO? Even if you were sitting 20k deep I assume most others were short stack since you beat them so you’re just playing effective stacks that day

I bought in for $1,500 and ran it up, it started as a 25/25 but we agreed to raise the stakes. I had the table covered but there were some other deeper stacks. It's a great place to play.

Only positive views allowed?

If you think I could provide value at this price point (given my results) to students who want to improve their game, then please feel free to chime in. Where I draw the line is biased opinions from people with an axe to grind drawing unreasonable inferences, for example, from a few sloppily written hand histories. I don't think that's fair at all.

Obviously I would prefer positive reviews from people who know how I play as my “business” is still in its infancy.

I've provided free plo teaching to friends over the years before I decided to teach for profit, I've taught constitutional law to middle school students and taught high-schoolers while I was in college, so I feel like I have a decent understanding of how to help people learn. My first student is very happy with his results so far after our first couple sessions and recommended me to a friend of his who is also interested in my services (more evidence that I provide good value), and I am only getting more inquiries.

Do you truly think he just sits in games with whales all day and no pros/other good players? That doesn't exist in public games unless the stakes are very low - what a silly assertion.


Think there's a lot of hate on Dumbo due to jealousy/envy/people not happy in their lives. Him charging 50/hr coaching is completely justified - maybe if he wanted 300/hr you can make arguments but paying 50/hr shouldn't bring you elite level coaching anyways. I'm also a believer of a free market that allows the consumer to make decisions - as long as there's no scamming going on people should be allowed to charge whatever they want. Furthermore the guy posts a lot of content for this forum - if I was him I'd just stop posting.

If you don't believe in consumers having the best info they can to make decisions you don't believe in a free market.

I think DT and monikrazy are both in the right here. Even if DT's best skill is game selection, I disagree with the assertion above that no one would pay a coach for that. Game selection and identifying where your EV comes from is worth paying for for someone who isn't good at it. I don't think it's the most obvious thing to everyone.
And monikrazy has every right to voice his opinion, obviously he believes he's looking out for the consumers, which I greatly appreciate. They're both very high value posters here.

Of course I believe in a free market. I heavily invest in the stock market and am a product of our capitalist system. Why do you think I play poker to make my money!

It would be one thing if someone with solid evidence that I'm no good spoke up, but what transpired here was nothing of the sort. This was just mudslinging against me from someone who didn't like that I dared to disagree with them in a strat thread and was fed up with me providing sometimes incomplete hand histories. Being annoyed with someone's posts does give you the green light to disparage their growing business on a whim. The information monikrazy provided wasn't even good information.

His post implied it was "irresponsible " and "unethical " for me to provide my services over a few omitted details from a few hand histories. How do you sanely make the leap from being a little careless in writing a hand history here and there, often after a long and tiring session, to being unethical and irresponsible for teaching others winning poker strategies?! Especially given my robust poker results over many years? That's a bridge too far in my humble opinion and why I must vehemently disagree with monikrazy's post.

I not only game select well but I excel at playing in the loose action games that I seek out. Vs make the biggest mistakes in those games and I capitalize on them better than most.

I doubt monikrazy would agree with you that we are both high-value posters, I'm afraid, as he looks down upon me, very obviously so after this debacle. He's definitely the top dog around here, wouldn't want to hurt his big ego equating him with someone like me!

But this won't matter as I doubt I'll be posting valuable, free high-stakes plo hand histories here anymore thanks to him.

I didn't mean to suggest that's all you do. I believe you're a strong player. I was just responding to the post above which suggested game selection is not something worth paying a coach for

Thank you. Also, I edited my post while you were responding.

Of course there will be other regs and pros in his games who are chasing the same whales. Where did I say otherwise?

50/hour might be worth it for someone who is a total newbie who can’t guide himself but I personally would just go with JNandez for beginners stuff and seek higher level coaching to move up in stakes

FWIW i would encourage you to continue posting. If i played PLO i would be annoyed about losing any active, winning poster. There's not that many left it seems.

DT.

You keep trying to spin this like I have some enormous axe to grind without any evidence.

If anyone reads the thread where you claimed the thread I tried to 'threaten' you, its obvious I kept trying to give helpful advice, and got frustrated because you were unreceptive to my viewpoints, despite me sharing a lot of supportive information and context.

I get frustrated over things I read online every day; that doesn't mean I try to ruin the author's careers.

Here's the thing DT. Not only did you decide to go nuclear over a pretty 'tame' comment in your coaching thread. You also launched a series of very insulting, dishonest, and disengenous personal attacks designed to promote your coaching sevices at the direct expense of my reputation. It's pretty obvious you continue to break site rules on this point.

You proposed a non-serious challenge and tried to paint me in a bad light for saying no. You did not avail yourself of the many chances I gave you to save face, or the gentleness I am still showing in how I have responded.

I'm not trying to get you exiled from 2+2, and I have never accused you of lying about your win rates or the games that you play in. It's really not very important to me how much you win or lose playing poker.

High volume posters are mostly a public good, and even someone like you, who displays a chronic lack of attention to details, is still a net positive.

We all mistakes DT, but you are the one who keeps raising the stakes. It's not my responsibility to help you out of the hole you dug for yourself.

Good luck to you. We’re done here.

That's not how it works.

You have refused to take any responsibility for your own destructive actions. You don't get to pick and choose how I respond, or the rest of the forum responds.

If you think I am content with letting the matter rest, after you continued to promote your coaching thread in violation of site rules, and continued to make unfair attacks against my reputation, you are incorrect.

My version of a fair resolution looks something like this:

1. DT is temp-banned a minimum of 1 week
2. DT's coaching thread is erased, and he loses posting priveleges in that forum for a minimum of 6 months
3. DT posts a public apology to the Omaha community for his inappropiate behavior and violations of site rules

I'll add two more points.

First: You keep repeating I am criticizing you for problems I had with a "few" posts. Try hundreds instead. Most likely I have read more than one thousand of your posts. That's a very conservative estimate. I didn't reach my conclusions hastily.

Second: I see you decided to message me. You are on ignore. I'm not reading them. I can't trust you to communicate appropiately or honestly in public posts. I have no reason to believe communicating with you privately will be satisfactory or a good use of my time.

That ship has sailed and those bridges have burned. You could have made a post much earlier asking to talk in DMs.

How rich. If anyone owes an apology or deserves a temp ban, it’s quite clearly you, sir. You posted disparaging, inaccurate, and misleading information in my nascent coaching thread, suggesting I was unethical and irresponsible for offering coaching, neither or which is true. When I brought this to the attention of the Omaha community - as I was fully justified in doing - you only doubled down on your baseless accusations and never expressed a scintilla of remorse.

You started this mess with your hostile attack in my coaching thread and are so stubborn you won’t take responsibility for your poor judgment in letting a personal vendetta against me cloud your judgment. Now that I’ve outed you as the egomaniac that you are, you are trying to get me punished for exposing you, true to form. And what a surprise that the fitting punishment you envision would prevent me from coaching, which was your goal the entire time in making your original, spurious, and gratuitous non-endorsement of my services.

The mods can deal with this as they see fit and I’ll live with their decision. I did my part to defend myself and bring your misdeeds to everyone’s attention, and I have no regrets about that.

And I messaged you to inform you that my student is very pleased with my services and is winning big thanks to my coaching and asked you to delete your posts.

Edit: of all my posts only a small fraction were hard to follow, most of them in the mixed games forum where the blind structures are very unconventional and hard to keep track of. And I already told you months ago that this could be due to my mental illness which can make some tasks harder to complete.

I am also willing to offer a few mild concessions for the good of the community such as:

1. I will not post in DT's coaching thread when his posting privileges are restore
2. I will limit the feedback I provide in DT's strategy thread and avoid posting in a confrontational manner

Let me remind you of what I originally posted, because I disagree with how you are characterizing it.

Was it Disparaging? OK, sure. This is a poker forum, comments can be a little brutal and disparaging without being dishonest or malicious. Could my comment have been a bit petty or inconsiderate? Sure, probably to a limited extent, I can recognize my own biases. But I can be a little biased without betraying my core values or sacrificing my integrity.

Inaccurate or misleading? - NO, it wasn't. At minimum, it wasn't written in a way to be deliberately inaccurate or slander you.

Can trying to promote coaching services be unethical or irresponsible? YES, it can. And I have professional experience in coaching both inside and outside of poker, so pointing this out was important to me.

There is also a Huge difference between me writing something MIGHT be irresponsible, and knowing for a fact that it's irresponsible. I don't need to know for sure, and I acknowledged the possibility I could be wrong. Someone who is selling a product should recognize the difference.

I shouldn't need to explain the differences between any initial 'hostility' I first posted in your thread, and your subsequent reaction. That you keep trying to justify them as 'tit-for-tat' is risible. You are the one being misleading, not the other way around.

2. Is quite the concession given that I already said I am never posting in the Omaha strat forum again, at least as long as you have the ability to respond to my posts.

1. If the mods want to prevent a high-quality poster and poker player from being able to offer his valuable services to the community, so be it. But I think that would be a gross overreaction given how this all unfolded and your role in setting this ordeal in motion through your (now admittedly) petty, biased, and in all likelihood irresponsible post in my coaching thread.

This is getting more and more ridiculous. You are assuming I should know and keep track of information that hasn't been shared with me in a way that requires my attention or a specific response.

I am sympathetic that personal health issues could lead to unique challenges involving posting. But whatever they are, they don't justify how you came after me. Your perception of being attacked, isn't necessarily objective. And my rights to protect myself supercede any obligations I have to consider your feelings more carefully.

You also seem to be suggesting that I should be banned or artificially restricted for the good of the community? Because your feelings got hurt? And you picked an unwise fight you have no chance of winning?

2+2 was built on the premise of open-minded and fair evidence-based discussions. Your suggestion is an insult to the community. You are the one making harmful threats.

What you are doing is called 'having a big ego' and 'not backing down.' Even when there is plenty of evidence you are well in the wrong.

I never suggested you should be banned from the community, not until you suggested that I should be.

And unlike you, I never asked the mods to get involved in this issue or to punish you (although I did report your post in my coaching thread), as I believe this is a matter we are more than capable of handling as grown adults on our own.

Make no mistake, you were the initial aggressor in this fight when you decided to flame my coaching thread. All my actions were in response to that initial hostile act.

I asked mods to get involved because this dispute has obviously risen to a level where it can be harmful to the community. And if a more neutral third party can help resolve the dispute, that should be a good outcome for all parties.

If you all ready reported my post to the mods in coaching, why didn't you just WAIT for a response? If I was in the wrong, they would help you attain a just outcome.

Your post was neither open-minded nor fair, nor was it based on reliable evidence.

I’ve never backed down from bullies and I won’t stop now.