Hello 2+2,

Monikrazy, living up to their name, has it out for me, posting a very negative, misleading post in my coaching thread after we got into a disagreement over correct strategy in multiway all ins with a low hand against multiple high hands and he threatened to stop responding to my strat posts (but then continued to anyway - go figure). Apparently, according to monikrazy, winning big in poker over years does not qualify someone to coach.

I feel like a line has been crossed that can only be settled one way, and that is a poker challenge. So, I am offering monikrazy to start a plo5 game heads up against me at MGM National Harbor at stakes up to 25/50 at a time and date(s) of his liking.

Thanks,
DT

Nice...hu4rollz challenge.

Any chance of happen online? Live is so slow. Like online can 4 table that ****. Find out who the champ is faster.

Hell yes, let’s do this guys

Here is the coaching thread for those interested in the backstory:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2.../#post58417776.

And here is the strat thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...o-low-1830311/

Yeh Moni shouldn't be posting in your coaching thread like that - completely unprofessional. You're a big winner in your games and seem like a nice person - not sure why he's got hate for you. Maybe jealously who knows.

Is it unprofessional for me to politely point out that I don't believe DT is qualified to coach based on extensive evidence supporting that view?

I am more than qualified to share that opinion.

DT, I suggest you ask mods to remove this thread. You are making yourself look bad.

Professional poker coaches would almost never respond to my comment like you did.

I have no interest in a HU challenge. I have too many other important things going on in my life to waste my time on your nonsense. Your challenge isn't even written in a serious way; why should I fly to see you? Are you going to pay me a bonus for beating you like Phil Galfond? How is a winner determined, etc.

I have a suggestion though. Why don't we start a community poll or survey in this forum asking other posters whether they think you would be a good coach? A neutral party could organize the details.

If you are confident in your coaching ability, that will be good evidence to bolster your case.

Idk what DT is asking for as far as rates, but at a lower price point would you feel it's more justifiable? I'm all for someone calling out coaches who shouldn't be coaching so we don't waste money. But there's certainly a place for cheaper lower stakes coaches

Moni, I see you are declining my offer, which is unfortunate but not unexpected. As I have already stated repeatedly, my poker results speak for themselves. The numbers and graphs do not lie. People, on the other hand, have varying motivations, so as you said no to my offer, I will do the same to yours.

Your or others' opinions on whether my strat posts are always easy to respond to do not have much bearing on my teaching abilities or my ability to help others improve their PLO game using the highly winning strategies I employ playing day in and day out at the tables.

Now I must get some sleep after another long, highly profitable session.

I think dombos can work on his fundamentals, but his results are great so he’s def doing a lot of things well. Offering coaching for 50/hr seems totally reasonable.

I'm not focused on the price.

Based on DT history of posting I do not think he has the theoretical knowledge or communication skills (including listening) to teach poker.

For example, DT is notorious for writing incorrect and incomplete OPs. That is a very worrying sign that he will present information to students in similarly flawed ways.

Maybe but hes asking a very modest price respective to his win rate at poker. That changes things. It’s not like he’s not a clear winner.

I like Dumbo's thread but thought monik post was really tame and fine unless that sort of thing isn't allowed.

Also proof of live results is fairly easy to fudge I presume. I don't think that's the case here because I follow Dumbo's thread but a snapshot doesn't confirm that.

I'm skeptical of most coaching. No great reason to think great players make great coaches.

Dumbo's price point is fairly reasonable

It's a valid line of reasoning that coaches may offer lower prices to reflect a lack of greater experience. And I have no issue with poker coaching operating on free market principles.

But its also fair to point out that even someone who only tries to coach beginner and intermediate level players, may also inflict harm on his unknowing students by teaching the wrong types of fundamental approaches to learning. This is well understood in both the coaching and poker player community.

My post in DT's coaching thread expressed my carefully considered reservations without rising to the level of a personal attack.

I am not looking for drama. And if DT wants to start a public battle with me and attack my reputation, I promise it will not be enjoyable for him.

He shouldn't be posting in this forum about it in the first place, and is likely breaking multiple site rules about promoting coaching in non-designated areas.

MODS! please be aware of this point

DT, i am strongly suggesting you take a step back and cool off, before doing anything unwise. I would also suggest his friends in this community speak with him privately about the potential consequences of his actions.

I feel like all of this is silly and unnecessary. The threatening a lawsuit thing was way over the top. Just calm down and let's talk some poker.

From my interactions/discussions with both players I have come to the conclusion they are both capable and thinking PLO players although their strengths lie in different facets of poker.

HU4ROLLZ seems like a fair response to a flame in a modest coaching thread. ($50 per hour) that being said it is the poker players version of “you wanna fight about it?”

Would prefer if they could calm down the conversation and reach an understanding. Moni does have a point about your hand histories Dumbo lol.

Yeah that’s also true, fair enough.

Not able to fall asleep, watching HS at the lodge while waiting for my krazy meds to kick in.

Just to sorta wrap this up from my point of view, I felt like I was being disrespected publicly and basically told I am not a good enough poker player or capable of teaching others how to play the great game over a few strat threads where I gave incomplete information. From someone with as many post counts as moni with a reputation and some weight around here, it was pretty hurtful for an up and coming player like me with aspirations to be put down like that. I don't pretend to be the best player but I do desire respect from my peers and my dignity. I am also a lawyer with a blog here and I pride myself on my writing skills, so being told I can't communicate with potential students felt even worse.

I am not trying to attack moni's reputation, moreso defending my own. I am willing to put this all behind us for the good of the forum at this point but would strongly prefer if moni would have his posts in the other thread removed. If he does that, I'll ask that this thread be deleted as well.

And I have already said I would work on my hand histories to the extent I keep posting. Thanks for all the supportive responses here.

I don't care enough to ask you what evidence you have but as long as the guy isn't scamming anyone and he appears to be a significant winner in the games he plays I don't get it. People shouldn't police coaching forums unless someone is a scammer - there's plenty of people coaching golf and other activities that aren't Tiger Woods.

lol what a silly argument. If you have something personal against the guy just say it

If it's a real heads up match for rolls than you can't expect to operate on tour home turf and have him travel to you.. being that it was offered by you than you should travel to him or at least meet halfway and pay expenses. That's just if it's a real challenge.

DT, i appreciate your willingness to take a step back, but from my perspective I have done nothing wrong. I am open to share my assessment of any coach who I regularly interact with in the forums. And I would also be willing to revise my opinion if the coaches communicated concerns about my assessment in an appropiate way.

To a certain extent, your decision to perceive my posts as hostile was a personal choice. And to attack me across multiple forum threads was also your personal choice.

I would have been a lot more open to amending my comment or removing it from your coaching thread if you chose to respond differently. It's possible I am willing to do so at a future date. But I have no reason to do so at present.

Being open-minded and able to engage in a mature dialogue when challenged are important teaching/coaching skills. Your response to my criticism provides strong, additional evidence that my reservations were warranted.

I wish you well in attaining greater personal and professional growth. Maybe you are better at coaching than I realize, or will become a better coach in the future. I have learned a lot about poker from coaching and posting on 2+2. But I don't owe you any more explanation or an apology for my actions.

I finally woke up after a great dream about winning a big poker score and have had an opportunity to see your post.

I don't want anyone to think I am condoning your actions Monikrazy or apologizing for my own. I am doing neither.

I was only responding tit for tat to defend my reputation against your subjective and biased opinion that it would be irresponsible for me to provide these reasonable services at a steep discount from my winrate. You launched the opening salvo by posting such a negative comment in my coaching thread in the first place. Make no mistake, your post was designed to discourage students from using my services. (Viz., tortious interference with an expectancy.) You unquestionably were attacking me and my new business, so don't try to play the nice guy now. You were absolutely being "hostile."

And your post certainly was not "open-minded," so I have no idea why you'd expect me to return the favor. My subsequent actions to out you, as you embarrassed me, were appropriate and justified. Your uninformed opinion about my poker abilities was relatively superficial and based on a few sloppily written strat posts. I'm sorry, but that's simply not enough to claim someone with as high a winrate as me would not make a good poker coach for losing or break-even players trying to improve.

I have asked a lot of people who know how I PLAY (as opposed to how I sometimes post hand histories) to provide positive recommendations. I also encourage others in this forum to chime in with their views, if they are so inclined.

Dumbo, I have been following your thread for a long time and based on your post history it sounds like you’re really good at bumhunting, nitting it up and short stacking big games where you hit and run. Don’t get me wrong, that’s a winning strategy as winrates are determined by how bad your opponents are and based on your post history you are really good at chasing the biggest whales in the multiple games spread in the room you play at. Your posts say that you play up to 5 different games a day, going from 5-10 no limit to 1-2 plo to 5-5 plo to 2-5 no limit and back to 1-2 plo again.

Would your say all the game hopping/game selecting/bumhunting has a lot to do with the winrate you boast?

If yes, that’s not something you should charge people for coaching on… Most people are not going to be willing to do the excessive game hopping, bumhunting and hit and running. When people seek coaching they are usually looking for someone with strong fundamentals who can handle complex spots in deeper games, not someone who is good at short stacking and waiting for aces to get a double up from the clueless whale.

Before you also accuse me of slander, all of the above are based off your post history and I can insert quotes from you to back it up.

Game selection is very important, anyone will tell you that. I would tell all my students to play in games where they have an edge over at least some of their opponents. This applies live and online.

If you look at the winningest players in poker history, they were probably playing in soft games relative to their skill level. I am fortunate enough to play in games where I have a big skill edge over most of my opponents, so I win big. And if you play with the biggest losers in the poker ecosystem you will win more, no question. I try to play in what looks like the best game in the room running at any given time, but I can't always. If a game I am in looks bad, I will try to switch games and play a better looking one.

However, I do not hit and run normally unless I am waiting to play a different game and it's unavoidable. And I only buy in shallower in very big games now but I keep playing after winning and have a deeper stack. The other night I was playing $20k deep in a 50/50/100 PLO game for several hours. And I beat regs and whales alike, but of course I beat the whales for much more.