Right, you can just lash out at bullies at will, and other people should just accept it even when you have provided no objective standard of proof that a person you labeled as a bully has harmed you in any way. And you haven't explored any other ways to resolve the dispute.

Why don’t you two just take it to PM? This is tilting.

Or just play hu? Teh **** is this ****

Playing heads up live to see who is better is re.ta.rd.ed. Standard deviation is around 175 in plo 4c and you are going to play 5c. Even assuming someone has 5bb/100 edge and you are going to play 600hrs getting 40h/hr (doubtfull) is 2400 hands. Even with 4c standard deviation the propability the person with 5bb/100 edge to lose is 44%. 50$/hr for someone who doesnt playing online providing graphs which can be checked to some extend is a lot of money, even people who can be checked are providing fake graphs. You can find credible coaches who are actually beating online games (plo200+) coaching for 100$/hr

I dont take any position on either side, just stating the obvious, even in plo4c 2.4k hand sample is no sample

Yea they need to do a 20k hands deathmatch to settle this.

Agreed. 4 tables on the virtual felt. 20k hands to find out who the champ is.

So far dumbo punking this bitch pretty hard.

Would rather have Dumbo continue posting, makes interesting reading.

Also monikrazy calling for :

Is really lol, just take your bat and ball home and leave it alone.

Would love to see a virtual heads up match to settle this. Both got huge egos and at least one of them will get kicked down a notch

I may have misunderstood his post, but it seemed like moni wasn't interested in any HU battle at all as he was too busy. I would be up for a virtual match as well, however, to defend my honor.

Why don't you guys play micros for a few hours a day but spread it out over the year or like six months. It's not cool to play for significant money we are gentlemen and it'll just be awesome to see two good players battle it out in a gentlemanly way.

It doesn't prove you are a better player if you play live plo match. If hes a winning player hes better then an actual coach. A lot of coaches that teach poker don't make a living at it and is why they are coaches. Calling yourself a coach doesn't make you better then anyone that plays poker. It is one hand you guys disagree on and you decide to challenge him to prove you are better even though through your small sample of heads up variance is going to win? This is pure cringe. You call yourself a coach not even understanding basic variance behind plo. You want to prove you are better plo player when variance is going to win between both of you unless you guys want to play like 50 to 100k hands online for a few months across 2 to 3 tables its kind of pointless.

Just another bad coach who gets embarrassed when another player tells him hes wrong. You know what sauce does when someone says hes wrong? He goes back and looks to see if they have a point. Not stick his chest out like a teenager to save his ego. This guy is pure cringe. The only point he is proving is how insecure he is.

He lost the status of being a gentlemen at this point and to call himself a coach when he can't handle someone elses opinion makes him a bad coach. He is right everyone else is wrong approach is not a good way to coach. He thinks he can only have an opinion and his opinion is the holy grail to poker. We all get stuff wrong some point. Nobody is 100% right in poker all the time. No matter how good a player gets they get better every day learning from mistakes and listening to other peoples thoughts on how to play hands not having a closed off mind. Hes being weird challenging to hu match over one hand...

Really feel like a mod needs to delete this thread it’s toxic AF.

I'm not sure what the mods are up to tbh, this thread was brought to the attention of both the coaching area mods and the (omaha) forum moderator. It wouldn't be unusual if they were still deciding on the best course of action, but even if that's the case, I would expect them to reach out to me in DMs for more info, etc. and haven't seen anything.

I thought about making a post in the 2+2 mod area in case it is still flying under the radar.

OK: made a post there
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5.../#post58423160

Did you know dumbos student won a poker session after receiving a session of coaching? According to dumbo that must mean he’s a good coach and his services are working!

Drama in 2+2 PLO forum was not on my 2024 bingo card

I dno if we can really call this drama.

Dude calls out other dude for being a **** coach or some bs, basically saying he sucks

Other dude be like ok bro lets hu4rollz

Dude dont wanna hu coz not worth time, even tho can just hu online at any stakes on multiple tables and the enemy apparently sucks so whats the problem?

Dude cries to mods wants to close thred...unreal.

^^ exactly, monik wants dumbo banned?
for offering 50$ coaching services?
and then declines a HU match?
and then whines to mods?
lmao dude log off, touch grass, etc.. who cares. insufferable.

monik never had the makings of a varsity poker player

Now you're crying to mods? You started it going into his coaching thread and saying he doesn't know what he's doing while he's charging a measly 50/hr lol. You should be a man (or woman) and apologize to Dumbo for being an idiot and all will be good, but for some reason you won't. Weak stuff.

Who are you again?

Someone I have basically never noticed or interacted with in any meaningful way all the sudden comes out of the woodwork in some lame-ass crusade to make DT look good.

You seem pretty invested in making me look bad, but as far as I know you are a complete nobody. You keep posting in this thread, but you haven't added anything useful.

Go ahead and keep hijacking the thread; repeating incorrect facts and assumptions won't change things for those who are actually reading.

DT has moved on to spamming the NVG forum to keep promoting his coaching and you are pretending that I'm the problem. Involving the mods isn't a sign of weakness, its a plea for common sense.

I've given plenty of opportunities for anyone who wants to have a serious dialogue.

Btw i ignored this before but its easy to respond to.

"[You] don't care... about evidence." I would agree that seems to be the case.

Golf professionals would be expected to call out or at least share their honest opinion on scammy and unqualified golf coaches because its a net negative for the sport. Just like reputable poker players and professionals have the freedom to call out other players or industry professionals for what they perceive as wrongdoing.

This thread came to my attention by way of a PM that arrived in my Inbox about 90 minutes ago and which I just read, which I hope answers the "I don't know what the mods are doing" inquiry (if the coaching forum post was reported, the report goes to the mod of that forum, not me).

I read the thread. I'm most surprised that four days ago there were posts about how this discussion was over yet here we are four days later and it's still going. Anyway, I agree with the sentiment that this thread should be ended. So it is written, so it shall be done.

Coaching stuff goes in the coaching forum to be handled by the mods there. If the two principals of this thread want to argue about posts relating to coaching, do it there, where the mods there decide what's ok and what isn't with respect to coaching posts.

For here, please let this be the end of the personal battle. Please keep discussion to strat or the subject matter of the thread. Don't be reluctant to argue strat aggressively. But please keep it to strat and away from headzup4rollz or headzup45$billz or whatever other challenge exists with only one willing participant. If you guys (or anyone) want to do a challenge, line it up by PM before and if both people are into it then feel free.

Thanks, and feel free to PM me always about anything that goes on here. I think I'm the only mod and my real job here is preventing spam and banning spambots, so please don't be shy about making sure I'm aware of something in the forum or of complaining about something or anything else you think a mod should be doing. I am here to help (I hope).