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03-17-2016 , 05:18 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
BB: $12.20 (244 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.29 (105.8 bb)
MP: $6.16 (123.2 bb)
CO: $8.09 (161.8 bb)
BTN: $3.43 (68.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A T A T
Hero raises to $0.17, MP folds, CO calls $0.17, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.41) 3 2 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, CO calls $0.26

Turn: ($0.93) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.48, CO calls $0.48

River: ($1.89) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.82,HERO?

villain is unknow (5hands)
I guees this line strange: call cbet 2 streets em river bet pot.
Perhaps backdoor straight... I don't know but he needs be very passive for make sense.
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03-17-2016 , 05:51 PM
What range do you put villain on once he's called the flop and turn?

What portion of that range is value betting the river after you check, what portion is bluffing, and what portion checks behind for a showdown?
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03-17-2016 , 06:56 PM
I think if he has value he goes raise on turn, for protection and extraction of value. Of corse he can make slowplay.
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03-17-2016 , 07:31 PM
I would just check the turn, and fold. Its a terrible board for us. I would only be continuing here if I Felt someone would be floating light, which after 5 hands at this limit I wouldnt suspect. The turn bet is ok though, but check fold the river. He can definitely have straights.
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03-17-2016 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sandman1
I think if he has value he goes raise on turn, for protection and extraction of value. Of corse he can make slowplay.
So what range is he bluffing and what range is he betting for value? You're getting 2:1 on a call; do you think at least 1/3 of his river betting range is bluffs?
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03-18-2016 , 06:54 AM
I'd check the turn - this board is absolutely awful for our range - and probably call depending on sizing.

I'd x/f the river here. Opponent obviously has far more straights than you but he can value bet much worse here. Your hand looks like an overpair on the river, so I'd expect a decent player to value bet most 2 pairs and better.
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03-18-2016 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave C
What range do you put villain on once he's called the flop and turn?

What portion of that range is value betting the river after you check, what portion is bluffing, and what portion checks behind for a showdown?
Good questions. I go remenber this when I want make bluffcather
Sincerely, I don't thought about this before.
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03-18-2016 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by thsheriff
I'd check the turn - this board is absolutely awful for our range - and probably call depending on sizing.
Do you mind elaborating a bit more on this? I mean, yes, we hardly have sets/str8s in our range but he shouldn't either in these positions. At least not enough to where I'd say the board is absolutely awful or he has a significant range advantage. 865-T87 is more what I consider awful for our UTG range.
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03-18-2016 , 12:12 PM
Awful play overall.
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03-18-2016 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by naggeri
Awful play overall.
Is seriously? you says that's awful but don't says why..

ohhhh... Thank you.

I feeling better now.
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03-18-2016 , 01:29 PM
325 should very rarely, if ever hit you. A456ds, 4567 etc etc, maybe. You have few combos. I x/flop, lead turn. Your hand is not a bluff catcher here though, not strong enough.

A4, 46, 4678, any 2pair combo. You should definitely fold river, but I wouldn't c-bet flop. x/call, x/call >> bet bet just as that way we keep all of villains bluffs in range. KK, QQ in villains range have more confidence than if you bet in to them.
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03-18-2016 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chen Heiner
Do you mind elaborating a bit more on this? I mean, yes, we hardly have sets/str8s in our range but he shouldn't either in these positions. At least not enough to where I'd say the board is absolutely awful or he has a significant range advantage. 865-T87 is more what I consider awful for our UTG range.
We're so rarely going to have anything other than an over pair/over cards, that we shouldn't be betting this turn ever. This board hits his range more often than it hits ours, which he will most likely be aware of. So, although he doesn't have a significant range advantage, he can get to the river with all decent equity hands and a number of floats, all of which will put us in a very tough spot on close to every river.

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325 should very rarely, if ever hit you. A456ds, 4567 etc etc, maybe. You have few combos. I x/flop, lead turn. Your hand is not a bluff catcher here though, not strong enough.

A4, 46, 4678, any 2pair combo. You should definitely fold river, but I wouldn't c-bet flop. x/call, x/call >> bet bet just as that way we keep all of villains bluffs in range. KK, QQ in villains range have more confidence than if you bet in to them.
A4567ds and 4567ds are both far too loose to open UTG tbh. This flop is a very standard cbet imo; checking flop and leading turn is insane. His hand is a bluff catcher because all he can beat is a bluff. The question is whether he should use it to bluff catch.

The second paragraph honestly didn't make any sense to me at all, so I can't really comment on it.
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03-18-2016 , 11:04 PM
putting thoughts to words isn't my specialty, apologies.
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