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Is this a fold on the turn? Is this a fold on the turn?

10-16-2021 , 08:33 AM
First off, this was an action table. It seemed like every hand there were multi way callers and 3 bettors.

Villain is an especially aggressive LAG 67/25/6 and playing close to 100% of hands on this table. He seems to have two modes: raise flop and pot any street thereafter.

Even though I'm in the SB and it's a big no-no, I completed, instead of 3 betting or folding. There was no fold equity for sure and I thought my hand had a lot of potential to win a big pot.

The flop is 589 two tone hearts, of which, I have no hearts in my hand. On the flop, I have a gut shot straight with a non heart jack and a boat if it pairs on the turn. As I'm writing this, I just realized that I picked up a flush draw on the turn.

I suspect that the villain has flopped a straight.

Do I call, shove or fold the turn here?

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
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UTG: $29.54 (59 bb)
MP: $23.78 (48 bb)
CO: $160.52 (321 bb)
BU: $80.37 (161 bb)
SB (Hero): $151.16 (302 bb)
BB: $62.44 (125 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 9 T 9 Q
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, BTN raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.25, CO calls $2.25

Flop: ($11.50) 5 8 9 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $10.92, BU folds, Hero calls $10.92, UTG folds

Turn: ($33.34) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $31.67
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10-16-2021 , 08:39 AM
Also:

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
369,600 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 5h8d9hkd
Hand Equity Wins Ties
9ctd9sqd 72.34% 266,748 1,214
hhxx 27.66% 101,638 1,214
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Omaha Hi Simulation ?
54,840 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 5h8d9hkd
Hand Equity Wins Ties
9ctd9sqd 44.05% 24,135 40
67hh 55.95% 30,665 40
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Omaha Hi Simulation ?
218,640 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 5h8d9hkd
Hand Equity Wins Ties
9ctd9sqd 44.92% 98,133 156
67xx 55.08% 120,351 156
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10-16-2021 , 09:35 AM
With the deep stack pbb call turn best.
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10-16-2021 , 10:47 PM
why do you give villain credit for the nuts when you say he is always potting with w/e?

We are definitely not folding at any point in this hand, maybe pre.
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10-18-2021 , 02:03 AM
fold pre
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10-18-2021 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
why do you give villain credit for the nuts when you say he is always potting with w/e?

We are definitely not folding at any point in this hand, maybe pre.
I guess fear.

I'd already lost a large part and had been stacked by him just a few hands earlier. Between any 4 cards and the intense aggression, I was a bit gunshy. My fault? I guess that comes with playing against a LAG / Maniac? His stats are 65/24/11.

As you might guess, I folded the turn and it bothered me that I did, thus, the post here.
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10-18-2021 , 03:03 PM
Playing weaker hands versus somebody who constantly turns up the heat makes it harder to hold on imo. Fold pre. But don't fold post lol. You also run the risk of getting limp raised pre, which is very ugly for this hand.
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10-18-2021 , 04:19 PM
Yea was also gonna say fold pre.

This kind of situations is exactly why we don't like to play the hand so much.
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10-18-2021 , 05:43 PM
Quote:

As you might guess, I folded the turn and it bothered me that I did, thus, the post here.
as it should. you have a massive hand here, gut shot, flush draw, and set. these are the sort of hands you go to war with.
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10-18-2021 , 10:05 PM
Thanks everyone, I appreciate the responses.
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10-19-2021 , 11:42 AM
I'd raise the flop against this villain.
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10-31-2021 , 09:39 PM
In a less aggro more gto PLO ring this is not a good call from the SB like you said. 3 bet few, fold lots. If you're sure the limpers are gonna call and not squeeze I see no reason not to call this. WP.

Good flop call, too deep to raise.

If your read here that he flopped a straight is correct, shoving wont do anything as he'll call and you have a flip(ish). If he has hearts you're crushing his range, so shoving if he does now if you are uncomfortable reading a heart river seems fine. Hearts seem less likely as he didnt raise so high hearts are less frequent, so two bets here with hearts is less likely.

He either has a set, top two/three, flush draw (maybe two) or a straight. You just do well vs all these EVEN if he has kings its not that bad.

This is such a good hand to call with my god id be so happy to click the call button hah. Even gto wise shoving here some percent of the time isnt bad for your range. plz dont fold
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11-02-2021 , 06:42 AM
a quick equity calc of set + fd + gs vs a naked 76xx is 50/50 on the turn. since you're getting 2:1 it looks like a crystal clear call. it's even better when you factor in the times he has lower set + hearts or qjtx + hearts or a naked set.
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11-02-2021 , 06:48 AM
im usually a fold pre person as well but there's nothing wrong with getting in there if you're playing with action players making stack sized mistakes, which should more than offset the positional disadvantage.
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11-04-2021 , 12:12 AM
Let's just play the mathematics here, and assume villain flopped the straight (which is likely in a 4 ways pot). If your flush Q high flush draw + Full house draw are good, then you have 17 outs which is very likely. On top of that, you have a gut shot (+3 outs). So you have 20 outs on that turn.

From the Omaha odds calculator, your odds are 45% to win. This is without the implied odds if you hit the river. I don't think villain can easily put you on back door flush draw, or the runner runner straight. Your implied odds are very high in my opinion.

To be breakeven you just need 33% on that turn. I would have easily call.
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11-04-2021 , 02:57 AM
Against aggro, i raise turn often.
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11-04-2021 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Against aggro, i raise turn often.
i like this play a lot if you don't expect him to pay paired or flush rivers. this is a good opportunity to grab equity here, no?
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11-22-2021 , 04:20 PM
I mean, you can never assume poker players are smart man. He probably has 67. You know? And if the king pairs, you're probably dead. I never fold that hand pre-flop and neither do people that grasp plo (for the right price), but im folding the turn... ah, man... that's me assuming people are smart enough to just stop if the river pairs. I don't ****ing know man. I'm not stupid enough for poker. LOL. But yea, i just fold the turn. LOL.
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12-05-2021 , 07:33 AM
pretty trivial call, especially against ultra aggro guy... why do you even call flop if u wanna fold to one of the best turn cards? if u fold to this card, your flop call is highly -ev because you wont be able to realize your equity oop against aggro
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