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Flop trips A kicker on fd board against an aggressive player Flop trips A kicker on fd board against an aggressive player

12-01-2023 , 07:42 AM
2/2 PLO live with $450
5 handed, doing $5 button straddles

Hero on btn with AdKd9s7h

Sb (agro player) raise to $15, 3 calls, hero calls.

Not sure if I should just fold pre or just play my btn. $10 to win $75 getting good odds but hand is pretty bad.

Flop ($75) 772cc
Sb bets $25, folds to hero, hero?

This player would do this with a lot of hands. Maybe not air since he's OOP but he probably would IP. As first to act I could see him doing this with overpairs, 7x, and flush draws. He covers us.
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12-01-2023 , 09:27 AM
I actually don't mind 3b this PF if we think we can isolate an Aggro IP .. we block AA/KK and probably wont get paid if we hit one of these anyway .. and it's pretty easy to fold if we miss the Flop. If 'you know' that you wont be able to isolate, then flatting here is a must OTB. Just me, but I really don't like having AKsXX since we block the 1st and 2nd flushes so it's harder to get paid off.

These are the interesting ones as there's really no wrong way to go here and any history with V comes into play for sure. Against an Unknown this looks like a feeler/blocker bet, perhaps trying to hit a flush on the cheap. Based on your history does this V like to play 'poker' or just cards? You can be TAG or LAG. TAGs will fight back if you attack them while typically LAGs will go passive or fold out if played back at.

I don't want to ramble too much since there's no wrong way to go here if you can ignore the results. Is the other 7 a diamond? Any backdoors in PLO are nice!

I'm probably going to bump this to $125 (100 min) so I can go all-in on most Turns with 325 in the pot and 310 behind. While 72/22 are unlikely for either of you, both of you can have 7x and you have the Ace dangler at the moment. Hero doesn't block the flush draw and holds 3 overs to make a Full House.

IMO in PLO you need to make Players pay for the next card when it's likely you have the current nuts, especially on a Board like this where there's really only one draw (flush) and you can out draw that draw on the River. I can see a bit more cat/mouse on a more complicated Board .. why would we let a V draw set their own price at 4 to 1 .. IN PLO? We just shouldn't do it and if you take the pot down right now your stack is up over 15% with no risk of being 2-outed by an over-pair. If V somehow has a 7xxx then we want to get as many chips in and let PLO do what PLO does while we most likely hold the current best hand.

You are 70% against another 7x with 3 live cards
You are 80% against both a flush draw or a PP with a 7x

You say this Player is aggressive, but what will happen if you take the betting lead? Will they fight back or melt? GL
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12-01-2023 , 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by answer20
I actually don't mind 3b this PF if we think we can isolate an Aggro IP .. we block AA/KK and probably wont get paid if we hit one of these anyway .. and it's pretty easy to fold if we miss the Flop. If 'you know' that you wont be able to isolate, then flatting here is a must OTB. Just me, but I really don't like having AKsXX since we block the 1st and 2nd flushes so it's harder to get paid off.

These are the interesting ones as there's really no wrong way to go here and any history with V comes into play for sure. Against an Unknown this looks like a feeler/blocker bet, perhaps trying to hit a flush on the cheap. Based on your history does this V like to play 'poker' or just cards? You can be TAG or LAG. TAGs will fight back if you attack them while typically LAGs will go passive or fold out if played back at.

I don't want to ramble too much since there's no wrong way to go here if you can ignore the results. Is the other 7 a diamond? Any backdoors in PLO are nice!

I'm probably going to bump this to $125 (100 min) so I can go all-in on most Turns with 325 in the pot and 310 behind. While 72/22 are unlikely for either of you, both of you can have 7x and you have the Ace dangler at the moment. Hero doesn't block the flush draw and holds 3 overs to make a Full House.

IMO in PLO you need to make Players pay for the next card when it's likely you have the current nuts, especially on a Board like this where there's really only one draw (flush) and you can out draw that draw on the River. I can see a bit more cat/mouse on a more complicated Board .. why would we let a V draw set their own price at 4 to 1 .. IN PLO? We just shouldn't do it and if you take the pot down right now your stack is up over 15% with no risk of being 2-outed by an over-pair. If V somehow has a 7xxx then we want to get as many chips in and let PLO do what PLO does while we most likely hold the current best hand.

You are 70% against another 7x with 3 live cards
You are 80% against both a flush draw or a PP with a 7x

You say this Player is aggressive, but what will happen if you take the betting lead? Will they fight back or melt? GL
He's got a pretty large stack at this point and can be gambley. Odds are if we 3b IP we can't iso. This table does not fold much pre.

It's possible he could just GII against me with a worse hand since I only have 1/8th of his stack. He is known to bluff at times. I don't want to fold out his bluffs but I also don't want him drawing cheap. We have no backdoor draw.

Decision:
Spoiler:
hero raise to $125, he pots to put us all in, hero?
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12-01-2023 , 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phraust
Hero on btn with AdKd9s7h

Flop ($75) 772cc
Sb bets $25, folds to hero, hero?
I am a cool mellow tree hugger, but I am going to start losing my crap if you guys don't list if you have or don't have a backdoor flush draw. It is actually how PLO hands are often decided to be played.

I need to calm down and go hug a tree or something. I'll come back later and give thoughts on hand.
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12-01-2023 , 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfbook
I am a cool mellow tree hugger, but I am going to start losing my crap if you guys don't list if you have or don't have a backdoor flush draw. It is actually how PLO hands are often decided to be played.

I need to calm down and go hug a tree or something. I'll come back later and give thoughts on hand.
I'll start posting them differently. When I write them I tend to either not put the 3rd suit because it's irrelevant to my hand or ill put something like in this instance if I had a bdfd and it was a rainbow board I'd be 772r 1 diamond if I have diamonds.

You're obviously not me so you don't know that lol I'll be sure to add that for now on
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12-01-2023 , 07:33 PM
Thanks bro, LOL. Let me write up some thoughts...
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12-01-2023 , 08:11 PM
Preflop: I think calling the SB raise is good with your suited semi-connected Ace as it does well, especially on the button.

Flop: I know some SB that heads up would bet this medium paired board 100% of the time. And even multi-way would bet the board about 50% of the time. So SB betting doesn't necessarily mean they hit this board strong, it just means their cbet frequency is high on these types of boards.

Answer20's post above is perfect and covers everything and is worth a re-read. I particularly like the point about being stack size aware on this street to set up the ability to shove on the next street. Setting up the turn shove or the river shove is next level thinking that definitely is doable heads up live since you are only one tabling. Without repeating what answer20 wrote, since it was written so well, it is great on a board like this with a flush draw present to be able to put pressure on this street and maximum pressure on the next street. And since you are in position, even the threat of pressure is still pressure. And it is cool if you don't raise the flop because most SB are cbetting the flop and double barreling the turn a lot so the SB will do the work for you often and you raise allin on the turn. You having trips with the best kicker and the other player is the aggressor is nice.
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12-02-2023 , 04:30 PM
Easy call .. can't r/f here .. GL
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12-02-2023 , 05:41 PM
I would probably bet 30-40% psb on flop and stack-off vs raise.

There are arguments for other lines, but mostly its betting bigger against people who overplay weaker qx and call too many flush draws.

And betting smaller still does well against them.
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12-02-2023 , 11:31 PM
Results:
Spoiler:
hero raise, he re pot, we GII

He has 72XX, we dont boat and he scoops.

Just wanted to make sure it wasn't an overplay.
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12-03-2023 , 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phraust
Results:
Spoiler:
hero raise, he re pot, we GII

He has 72XX, we don't boat and he scoops.

Just wanted to make sure it wasn't an overplay.
72 is the worst hand in Hold'em poker. Omaha is no different. The only 72 hands a SB could reasonable show up with is any AA72 or double suited KK72. If the SB had any other 72 then they are on pace to buy you a new car over then next 5 years.
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12-03-2023 , 04:42 PM
Think this should be a fold pre online, live I understand the call getting 25 hands an hour.

I mean we have the nuts basically so you can do anything and it’s going to be fine right.

I like answers, er answer but think his final question is very relevant and maybe super relevant in these spots in general.

Depending on our image, we often get a ton of folds with any raise here, so the question then is if this guy is likely to fold a ton what’s the best line to get the most $?.

We block AA, and KK, but to be fair in PLO that often doesn’t mean ****. I think unblocking clubs, QQ, and JJ is a lot more relevant TBH.

Where’s my math boys at? What’s the ev diff on raise/pot turn. VS something unorthodox like small raise/ check back turn / pot river brick looking to get get hero called?

IDK, just thoughts tbh.

Last edited by nootaboos; 12-03-2023 at 04:43 PM. Reason: Typo
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