well i do a lot of my deep thinking while sitting quietly having smoke breaks, i think that if i quit i won't take the time to do that and thats probably what might leave me feeling empty, prob sounds silly but true.

not sure if your mixing up yourdoom with perdoom ?

i think what was brought up about wcg is what everyone was thinking, how'd this guy go from being a breakeven fullring reg to hu crusher, and then stops playing, i agree they went about it in the wrong way and there were lots of other wild accusations getting thrown around (jungleman playing on the account ect), he took a ton of money off wobbly_au who also is a fullring reg and i'm sure he's started lots of games hu so maybe theres really nothing to it, i don't think it's unreasonable to think these things though.

don't really care to comment on slowhabit stuff, don't have a strong enough opinion one way or the other although i think his coaching coaching thing was ridiculous.

edit: all his recent video series producers seem pretty legit, i hate the 100k tag everyone adds to every coaching product nowadays and think his video he released on '' how to play AK'' was pretty smart from a business perspective, not that i've watched it.

Quid pro- I was VERY addicted to cigarettes at for a couple years of my life. I thought the same things as you and I promise I have absolutely 0% desire to smoke a cig anymore and feel perfectly happy and don't miss them or feel like i've lost anything at all. It probably took me 2-3 months to start feeling like that, and then by 6 months I would have considered it a punishment to smoke one.

Did you read the OP of that NVG thread, there's plenty of examples how he is misleading his customers or using questionable marketing strategies. How is "New 100K Micro-stakes NL System: Crushing 50nl in 2012" anything but a scam when biggest winner at 50nl has made $40k since 2007 and the author of the series has 0.01BB/100 winrate in the micros over 153k hands on PTR. How could someone who clearly hasn't made anywhere near $100k playing poker be coaching a "100k system"?

Another gem: "Make $100k/year coaching poker" course description:

You should probably have a quick look who've made accusations in that thread. It's not just some random NVGtards.

thanks kutty i appreciate that.

anyway for me to retrieve deleted pm's? my inbox was full and i accidentally deleted my most recent ones (quite a few of which were unread / not replied to)

Email inbox

That options is located...where?

he means the email notifications that come to your personal email inbox that you have registered for 2p2.

i don't think there's any other way.

e: you need to have had the box ticked where you choose to receive an email notification to your personal email inbox

ok thanks guys probably didn't have it ticked

lol?

ilios is truly one of the biggest pieces of **** online

lol @ creating value. poker is a zero sum game. go open a ****ing smoothie chain and GTFO of the poker community.

i'm not saying that coaches/training sites are inherently a bad thing. i work for one myself. i think the key to them is to charge reasonable prices (cough, let there be range, cough), and to represent yourself in a fair and unbiased fashion.

all your marketing techniques are oozing with scum, and theres a [] 100k [] 5 star thread that cites many many examples of your dishonesty and selfishness.

have you guys actually read his latest book? For 50$ its pretty good value imo. I think hes too aggro with his marketing, but hes definately not selling air. You guys are making it out like hes some con artist who leaves you empty handed. I also find it funny that there are very few good players being critical of slowhabit. Its mostly nvg tards and some break even regs hating on him without really reading his material. Not saying i love his work or anything, but his latest book is certainly very good value for 50$, and a must read for up and coming midstakes players.

I think those type of people just don't want to get involved in it


I really enjoyed his nl to PLO book personally and it helped my game out a lot, but there is alot of other aspects people seem to have big issue with then content

I just had a chance to read his last book too and agree with you chip

love tunafish for his action there

I can't get enough of this, best music video I've seen in years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=2uYs0gJD-LE

no comprende

You're right, the poker world..... poker is a zero sum game, poker coaches should probably be big winners, training products should be valuable in excess of their cost to students, and its probably proper etiquette in this poker to be more transparent with your results, creds, etc.

What your wrong about is what is happening here, this is the business world, not the poker world.

Tri created a business which clearly serves an existing demand for his products.. he's been in biz for a minute here if you look back so he must serving someone... unless you are implying that 100% of Tri's customers come back disappointed?

You don't have to think the product is strong or even valuable, you don't have to the think the marketing is ethical, or his presentation of credentials strong enough, because you aren't buying it.

In fact, it is asinine, presumptuous, and reeks of hubris to even think you have the experience and knowledge to price his his products. You might have 100% of the poker picture when it comes to his business, sound like a strong player, but that's a small fraction of this operation holistically have you had any experience on the publishing and distribution side, have you run a business before. Do you know they teach the pricing strategy you are suggesting Tri is using in top undgrad BBA programs around the country? Do you know the core teachings in marketing revolve around manipulating perceived value, pricing has very little do with what a product delivers in non-commodity markets, and they become increasingly disconnected as the ratio of producer info to consumer info rises.

I think this Chromebook I just bought is trash.... it was advertised to have tons of apps, 8 hours of battery, and split second startups.... it doesn't have enough apps, the battery doesn't last 8 hours, and **** me it really does load in 6 seconds so that one is out.

But did Samsung or Google do anything wrong here? They fluffed their product enough to convince me to buy it. I didn't spend enough time looking at reviews and studying the product before I bought to make sure it would deliver what I"m paying for... that's my fault, well played guys. There is no consistent standard of quality he must deliver on even if you grant that his products were trash or something, just like Samsung hasn't made product guarantees by advertising specs that are only achieved under optimal conditions.

You've either gotta accept that it isn't the poker communities' place to make the rules of business, or stand in the corner of 'he is conducting business unethically and its wrong'.

If you stand in that corner though like it seems you are, get ready to defend why you are picking on Tri in particular when so very many poker products sold aren't delivering, so many non poker products, so many MNCs... if its really about Tri acting unethically, you've done a poor job of showing why he has acted any more dishonestly than other coaches and businesses, a poor job of showing why he deserves special, personal attacks. Go pick on Jamie Gold coaching for 1k/hr if its an ethics thing, go yell at Rolf Slotboom for trying to write about deep stacked PLO, go talk to sites about their hiring process to make sure predatory coaches and writers aren't coming in if you genuinely care.

Hell you said you worked for a site, go help them with their hiring process, I'm sure there are few duds right in your wheelhouse.

If you want to do something constructive stop personally attacking one small business operating like many others and start changing the game. Post about how students should assess and choose coaches, where to spend their time and due diligence, how to gather referrals, handle payments, disagreements, etc. the things that matter. How to negotiate pricing down to reasonable levels, and so on and so forth.

There isn't a standard set of methods to assess a coaches quality by a post and graph, and a profile and there likely never will be, changing condition of the game, partial tracking, life obstacles and reasons for doing things... the info people most request is the least telling of a coaches or writers' skills, get a sample, a free half hour, ask some theory questions, some what ifs, this is how to evaluate the quality of coaching and writing. We have all these things saved digitally, all a student or customer needs to do is express what they are looking for. The short of it is we have a bunch of young guys with lots of money who aren't very financially responsible yet and have little business experience. The end result is lots of purchases and coaching deals these guys aren't happy with simply out of inexperience and lack of due diligence.

Man, I dunno what your end game is here, maybe you should tell us what you are crusading for? But no matter which way I cut it up, you seem to just be chasing Tri around pissing and moaning about him, its not a PSA bud.. go teach some players how to protect themselves, or if you think he is acting unethically, why just Tri? As vehemently and aggressively as you are pursuing him I'd think you'd be busy uncovering moral frauds and injustices that cause real and significant harm to peoples' well being instead making me shake my head every time I open a coaching thread.

If you get a doctor's note saying you can't handle it b/c of anxiety (which wouldn't be a lie in your case if just leaving the house seems overwhelming), then you're good to go. I got selected for a two month long grand jury thing a few years back and that's how I got out of it. If it's just 1-off normal jury duty tho, it might be less hassle just to report in and make yourself a unsuitable juror based on your responses (ie say you have a bad impression of police officers or people who are drug users or w/e the case may be). I would try to be relatively subtle in revealing your "prejudices' tho, as I think a lot of judges don't take kindly to people who they know are lying just to not have to serve.

Edit: Also, I think lefty's post about tri / poker coaching industry / other industries is very insightful and agree 100%.

Edit 2: I think the things that most turns off people about tri is that he has gone overboard w/ infomercial-esque sales techniques, and while like you said they can be very effective, it is obvious to almost all poker players in the know who read that site that the marketing is trying to manipulate the potential customers in an at least somewhat disingenuous way.

side note: anyone live in an older house, 1910-30 - seasonal climate, looking at some places and wanted to ask a few questions about maintenance expense if I can pm ya.

run the bluff Dbread, no shower, no shave, maybe sniff alot, and scratch your arm a lot, go the bathroom frequently while you are chilling with the other prospects... the candy defense : )

I had to google hubris

and he plastered his face everywhere, for some reason his face annoyed me everytime i went on 2p2. Not sure why. should either put your face on things if your v good looking, or if you look like a total nerd.

i've done a lot of reno's on old houses in australia, this is a really broad question depending on how the house is built, typically they're built of better materials then new house, better hardwoods ect and will be fine structurally, you won't really be maintaining the house some things will be just plain broken, personally i'd redo kitchen/bathroom if outdated/unusable, whats the state of the flooring you may have to get new carpet, painting is a must depending on when it was last painted painting will last 10 yrs min, whats the roof made out of,is it tin, is it rusting you may have to replace it.

don't know a lot about plumbing but it's something you need to think about.

houses with brick footings that old can have major problems, i'd get a builder to go with you to check it out