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02-17-2024 , 02:20 AM
hero is in the $10 button straddle with KKJJ double suited. blinds limp, tight player opens UTG to 50, one caller, hero pots to 260, the SB limper, who is a mediocre passive reg, thinks for a while and flat calls the 260, and UTG moves all in for 1150 total. folds back to hero. i may have something slightly off about the limps / calls but hero definitely made it 260 on the button, SB flats and UTG jams.

SB has about the same amount as UTG, maybe a few hundred more, and hero covers. the fact that he flats here probably indicates he has a good-to-great high rundown or a high pair in his hand other than aces. he may well gamble and call off with many of those hands given the size of the pot, while folding hands like bad QQ or JJ, i dunno. UTG is not only pretty tight but also on the passive side preflop, so hero's read is that he has aces here like 1000%.

Last edited by ham on rye; 02-17-2024 at 02:28 AM.
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02-17-2024 , 07:34 AM
spin it
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02-17-2024 , 02:07 PM
Id probably fold if action is how you said, but I can also see a bit of merit for gambol if you are comfy losing the buyin.

Looks like pure aces though. If you call 4! SB would have to aswell so.
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02-17-2024 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mixedgamelover
Id probably fold if action is how you said, but I can also see a bit of merit for gambol if you are comfy losing the buyin.

Looks like pure aces though. If you call 4! SB would have to aswell so.
hero is ~40% vs a range of all AA and would need to call 900 to win ~1450 if SB folds. it's hard to come up with too many exact hands where hero won't be getting direct odds to stack off 3 ways. even vs AA and the other KK hero is ~28% and putting in 900 to win 2350, just a hair short of the right odds.
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02-17-2024 , 06:34 PM
call and river a king duh
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02-18-2024 , 09:36 AM
Call of course.
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02-19-2024 , 01:03 AM
i was actually UTG in this hand, i did have aces, and the player on the button folded his hand face up. the table was fairly unanimous that he made the right play, lol
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02-19-2024 , 10:01 AM
Comes down to your game .. Lots of Players take the GII gamble and others 'know' the situation and live to see a less variant spot. Also how does this Player Pool typically show up with in these spots? I have two rooms where this is a snap call and 1 room where this is a fold unless gamble is chosen.

I think in this spot I might spin it some of the time with two flushes and two sets .. not really counting on the straight coming in. It's unlikely that both flushes are covered.

The PF 'spin' range in $5 chip games drastically reduces when the stacks are above the 2.5 BI level in my games, so that leads to more folds than calls. GL


PS .. Most Players in my area don't BI for $500 .. it's more like $2-300 so they can short stack a hand like this, and then they protect the 3x stack much differently. (Most of them)
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02-19-2024 , 06:22 PM
I'd shrug call it off as played, though I would often flat the initial raise, especially vs tight opener.
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02-24-2024 , 05:55 AM
Nice. I hope you 4bet AQJ5ds type of hands on these spots.
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02-25-2024 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by freewilly12
Nice. I hope you 4bet AQJ5ds type of hands on these spots.
Something like 9876ds may not be great postflop, but it is close to even against AAxx and KKxx allin preflop. It doesn't block AAxx, but it also isn't dominated by AAxx. You need to get a high percentage of folds to make a play like that work, but if they are folding good KK face up, then go for it.
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02-25-2024 , 09:45 PM
I don’t really see how you can fold this hand for any amount pre. I guess if the guy shows you AAQT with both of your suits dominated…your hand just has so many ways to win (sets, str8s, flushes, 2p) even against aces. And once you’ve put anything in the pot, you’re basically committed.

Now the 3b is a question mark for me, but I have to say I’m pretty weak in my Omaha 3b game.

On the one hand, having high SPR enhances your positional advantage post flop. On the other, building a bigger pot means your positional advantage is more valuable…I wonder if being in position, you should 3b with really short and really deep stacks, but flat in between
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