This is more of an opinion question for everyone and I appreciate all responses.

From my notes from one of the training courses available online, a hand that is supposed to be an open from any position is ALL double suited kings.

My question is: If we're opening all double suited Kings, no matter how trashy, how do we feel about calling a 3Bet with them? If so, do we feel the same about calling the 3bet vs a tight player, as opposed to a loose one?

At 100 bbs, shouldn't we fold against a 2-3% 3Bettor? What if we're deeper, like 125 bbs? 200bbs? 300 bbs? Would we try to spike a king and / or a flush draw? If we were to flop a king high flush draw against a 2-3% 3bettor and get action, isn't our draw probably in a reverse implied odds situation? If we can be almost certain that our opponent has AA and is calling the flush draw action, can we assume that we're almost certainly drawing dead?

'trashy' double suited kings. funny.

I can certainly see some situations where, 100bb deep, I'd fold KKds to a 3b. But f*** I can feel myself getting hard just by typing out KKds. Don't go looking for excuses to fold them. Yes, you'll be dominated sometimes postflop, but it's not like every time you have the flush draw they have the dominating flush draw too. Tread carefully, don't just assume that a 3% 3bettor has AAxx 100% of the time when they 3b, turn your hand into a bluff sometimes when the flop is straighty.

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+1 advice is solid

What is your position and range/image in the eyes of the V? Huge .. play poker, not cards

Are they typically married to their holding? Or do they avoid paying off?

The deeper you are the more likely you should be able to use your image, range and position to take advantage of these spots.

If your danglers can make a straight you're still around 30% even if both suits are covered. That drops down to around 20% if not.

In the unlikely event that both suits are covered you lose about 3-4% of your equity.

The less dead chips and the shorter your stack make this less attractive to me .. but this is your worst possible scenario and it's still nearly EV=0 PF.

If you have the BR I think you'll find yourself much more at ease/comfortable when you just go with these spots. Even if you lose this hand the table image is very solid and will create (or reduce) the amount of push back you get when you're in a better spot. IMO it's never wrong to produce a fold in PLO. GL

For reference, Upswing's PLO matrix has us folding 17 combos of ds KK (assuming suited to each king here) to a 3bet when OOP for microstakes, and folding 6 combos OOP for high stakes. It uses Pokerstars rake structures, and this is for UTG at 100BB.

But even people who I think are just 3betting AAxx end up showing up with some other stuff, but it can also be related to my own image.

For reference, there are 864 combos of KKxx ds so this is 2% and 0.7% respectively. Never folding can't be too wrong.

I should specify it's combos from the chart which looks like below. So out of these 77 different side card ('combo') options.

The thing that makes this most interesting to me is that in the Upswing PLO Mastery course, from my notes, double suited Kings are given as RFI from any position. Additionally, the free Upswing PLO Preflop guide shows the same thing.

From Paul Toda, who's an essential coach on RIO, is more conservative in his approach to KK. He'll fold "trashy" Kings, except on the button. He says RFI any single suited KK from the cutoff and RFI all KK from the button.

From Richard Gryko, who's an elite RIO coach and plays high stakes, has another approach to KK - at least VPIP wise. He says that KK is frequently VPIP'd from any position, as long as there is some sort of connectivity between three of the four cards - such as KK93, for instance. While I can't remember exactly which video of his that I was watching, he called a 3bet with that hand, against two players (3Bettor, 3bet caller and he called). Now, maybe at his level, it's a far different story, in regard to the KK VPIP approach. I'm sure that he RFI and 3bets /4Bets all premium Kings.

As a side note, another thing in my notes from one of Richard's videos is that the vast majority of KKxx is good enough to 3Bet and go with at 40 bbs, except for the very worst, like KK82, which may be calls or folds. It's been a while since I had the RIO membership but as I recall, he was IP against a short stack raiser, reraised and GII.

To expand on this a bit, assuming we open all double suited KK, what about calling 3-bets? Are we calling them all? From the JNandez videos - at least the older ones - it looks as if he's mostly folding KK to a 3bet, except for BvB. Again, those are older videos, so maybe his position has evolved.

At microstakes .15 / .30, .25 / .50, for the vast majority of players, it's almost impossible to get AA to fold postflop. It's not terribly uncommon to see AA stick around against two callers, calling his 3bet, with bare AA on a small, connected or mostly connected flop, such as 357, 458, etc.

In general, microstakes is extremely loose. For instance, this morning, I watched a guy raise the CO with a button caller and then a 3bet against a 2% SB 3bettor. 100 bbs effective and the flop was A93 two tone. The CO called pot sized bets on both the flop and the turn with KJ94 single, to chase a NFD to the river (which he hit). Now, maybe I'm wrong here and it was a good move on his part but I'm kind of baffled by it. Long term, it seems like a losing proposition.

Ifs and Buts .. the candy and nuts always taste better when you're crashing the party.

If your V don't know anything about 'them thar' charts it's much more difficult to adopt the suggested strategy since you'll probably end up over-folding whereas hanging on with fingers crossed with thin value holdings will create increased variance that your BR needs to be able to handle. Does anyone really have a BR at micro?

On the flip side, I've adapted an almost exploitable over-folding post-Flop mindset the last few months, especially when OOP, that has, at least in the short term, led to a higher win rate in my games. I've got too many new V in the pool who just don't pay attention to the 'story' of the betting in relation to the Board .. making it futile to continue with anything but the heavy value-weighted holdings.

As I've said many times in these threads .. your chips are like soldiers and it's much better to win the war than to go all out for every battle. Yes, you certainly need to take a stand based on the dynamic of the table and the current holding once in a while. But just do so with some hammers.

I've been able to play more hours than I usually get to play and in doing so my mindset is much better .. moving away from a 'session' type of thinking to a weekly/monthly type of viewpoint. When you let the bad beats 'knowingly' slide by because you know you played the hand correctly AND there's another one coming soon after it does wonders for your focus and chip stack (most of the time).

A little off topic .. but anyway .. GL