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Originally Posted by Slap My Jack
For reference, Upswing's PLO matrix has us folding 17 combos of ds KK (assuming suited to each king here) to a 3bet when OOP for microstakes, and folding 6 combos OOP for high stakes. It uses Pokerstars rake structures, and this is for UTG at 100BB.
But even people who I think are just 3betting AAxx end up showing up with some other stuff, but it can also be related to my own image.
The thing that makes this most interesting to me is that in the Upswing PLO Mastery course, from my notes, double suited Kings are given as RFI from any position. Additionally, the free Upswing PLO Preflop guide shows the same thing.
From Paul Toda, who's an essential coach on RIO, is more conservative in his approach to KK. He'll fold "trashy" Kings, except on the button. He says RFI any single suited KK from the cutoff and RFI all KK from the button.
From Richard Gryko, who's an elite RIO coach and plays high stakes, has another approach to KK - at least VPIP wise. He says that KK is frequently VPIP'd from any position, as long as there is some sort of connectivity between three of the four cards - such as KK93, for instance. While I can't remember exactly which video of his that I was watching, he called a 3bet with that hand, against two players (3Bettor, 3bet caller and he called). Now, maybe at his level, it's a far different story, in regard to the KK VPIP approach. I'm sure that he RFI and 3bets /4Bets all premium Kings.
As a side note, another thing in my notes from one of Richard's videos is that the vast majority of KKxx is good enough to 3Bet and go with at 40 bbs, except for the very worst, like KK82, which may be calls or folds. It's been a while since I had the RIO membership but as I recall, he was IP against a short stack raiser, reraised and GII.
To expand on this a bit, assuming we open all double suited KK, what about calling 3-bets? Are we calling them all? From the JNandez videos - at least the older ones - it looks as if he's mostly folding KK to a 3bet, except for BvB. Again, those are older videos, so maybe his position has evolved.