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11-30-2023 , 10:58 AM
So I play in a once or twice a week home game and this particular hand was Double Board Omaha. It's no limit not pot limit. The buy in is $200 but by this point of the night people had anywhere from $100 - $1000 in front of them. I'm one of the tighter players at the table. On to the hand

It's a 1-2 game. I'm in middle position and after a couple limps I call the $2 with K/K/J/8 with suited clubs to the King.

Guy on the button with $150 who's pretty good makes it $10 and I call and then a middle position guy who is a maniac with $300 makes it $35. A bad player calls with about $300 and the initial raiser calls and I call. Yeah there's some merit to shoving but no one is folding and I like to see flops where I think my advantage is.

Board one is Q/4/6 Rainbow and Board two is 10/8/3 with 2 Clubs.

It checks around to the button, the guy who made it $10 and he shoves for like $125.

What are you doing here. I'm thinking the other 2 players that checked have nothing because they're aggressive and would shove. The button guy that shoved could easily have aces, queens or the ace high flush draw. I go into the tank thinking if I call I'm heads up though with a lot of money in the pot but could be drawing close to dead.
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11-30-2023 , 12:11 PM
You are in a very interesting game ..
1) Are you really playing NO LIMIT Omaha? That is pretty much unheard of .. do you not know how to calculate Pot or just don't care? Either way is no biggie.
2) On top of that you are running two Boards in a 'standard' hand with PF action .. not a Bomb Pot


Yes, you holding is strong, but not knowing what range you might be called by I'm not sure it's strong enough to shove PF. With over $100 in the pot if you think you can get 3 folds or at least HU against a wide range, then shoving may be an option. Your holding is spread out but you do have the minimum of 3 strong connections that I look for to play .. you actually have 4 draws, being a set, 2 straights and a K-high flush.

As Played the range you put the B on makes sense, but why didn't he re-raise PF with AA or AA with flush? If you can widen that open-flat range that this Player might have, then you can't be dominated on both Boards .. but you could be VERY vulnerable. It's unfortunate that this Player is the short stack, maybe, since it would be nice to get at least one of the other 2 all-in against their ranges.

If this Player has a QJ9x holding then you are opened up to a scoop. If you hit a set you will not make any 5-card hands for anyone .. you also have the opportunity to make two pair if any of the Board cards hit the same Board.

The big thing with Split Board games is that your pot odds are not what they seem since 50% of your chips go to the other Board. So you would be putting in $125 to 'hope' to win $50-55 if the other Players fold out. That's really a stretch when you really don't have a clear path to scooping. Will you win one Board 70% of the time? That's what you need to break even. You being next to act is also a bummer unless your 'weak' read is spot on.

I don't see myself just calling .. so I'm either folding my 'one pair' (huge exploit) or going all-in with a pretty big lean towards all-in. I'm forcing the other two Players out of the hand unless they have something, then I need to suck out! The last thing I want is to let one of these guys in 'cheap' and see them Turn a silly two-pair to take the lead on that Board.

If you've got rebuys in your pocket, then you probably have to decide that you can't really be dominated on both Board if HU unless AAxx of flush is there. GL

Last edited by answer20; 11-30-2023 at 12:23 PM.
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11-30-2023 , 01:32 PM
Thanks for the reply. We play dealers choice. Since we buy in kind of short like $200 and there's lots of action and all ins with sidepots etc its just much easier to do no limit. We play a lot of Big O8, double board Omaha High, Omaha 8 with 4 cards, Pineapple. It's kind of a wild game. People can win or lose $600+ often.

And yes this isn't a bomb pot.

The thought crossed my mind to just shove preflop but I would still get probably 2 callers, people don't fold in my game and the equities run so thin it wasn't worth it.

I decided to fold to the shove of $125 and the guy that called was the one who made it $35 preflop.

The runout on the first board was Q/4/6 K/7

The runout on the second board was 10/8/3 2C 6C

As it turned out I would have scooped with top set on the first board and flush on the second. The holdings were weak.

The shover had A/Q/4/4 double suited, not clubs, The caller had A/10/6/7 rainbow. So they split.

With those particular players maybe I should have called but I don't hate my fold.
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11-30-2023 , 03:51 PM
How deep is Hero start of hand?
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11-30-2023 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by moginsburg
I call the $2 with K/K/J/8 with suited clubs to the King.
There are some fun differences you can make in your play based on the specific details of a hand. You say you are single suited to a King, but are you suited [KJ] or [K8]? You actually want to be suited [K8] so that an opponent can have the Jack of your suit and you can beat their Jack high flush with your King high flush. Players are way more likely to call down with a Jack high flush than an 8 high flush. So [K8] might play different than [KJ] and it often does.

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Originally Posted by moginsburg
Board one is Q/4/6 Rainbow and Board two is 10/8/3 with 2 Clubs.
Again details are cool and fun. You called Board one rainbow but does that rainbow contain one of your clubs that you need to make the flush on board two? And in the year 2023 we are showing backdoor flushes some love, so on Board one do you have a backdoor flush draw to go with your over-pair?
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11-30-2023 , 06:37 PM
That sounds like an awesome gametype, wish I could try it

If I understood correctly, there are 4 players on the flop and the pot is $140, and you're facing a $125 shove. So you need to win only about 30% of the time (average of both boards).

In think on the clubs board you have an average of 50% equity quite easily. Only way you are really screwed is against AA or a set with ace high clubs which is very rare.

On the other board you have nothing, but still an overpair so I think it will easily make it past 10% equity for an average of both boards >30%.

The players acting after you almost never have AA...

So I think call is correct but I mean who knows really XD

Last edited by CuteRaven; 11-30-2023 at 06:42 PM.
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11-30-2023 , 06:47 PM
I wish there were more NLHE games out there that featured bomb pots + antes + straddles + deep buy ins. Would really spice things up online.

But I like these formats and may start playing a little PLO myself.
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11-30-2023 , 08:28 PM
Probably want to wait a couple days before posting results so you get more comments but not sure if it matters for your exact question.

If you had isolated A44x PF it was 55/45 .. as played it was 40/34/26

On the Flop you were 14% v 44xx and 62% with your over-pair and flush draw on the other board.

So knowing that your money is getting split you have 38% aggregate equity on the Flop .. just remember that it's against these exact hands and could be much worse. GL
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12-01-2023 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by moginsburg
I call the $2 with K/K/J/8 with suited clubs to the King.

Guy on the button with $150 who's pretty good makes it $10 and I call and then a middle position guy who is a maniac with $300 makes it $35. A bad player calls with about $300 and the initial raiser calls and I call. Yeah there's some merit to shoving but no one is folding and I like to see flops where I think my advantage is.
No. Your advantage is pre-flop because of your hand as it's unlikely anyone has aces with that action. It doesn't matter much if they fold or don't fold, your hand is doing fine. You will be in a lot of bad spots once you call and your alleged post-flop abilities probably won't save you.
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