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To donk lead or check knowing it will check through after flopping a boat? To donk lead or check knowing it will check through after flopping a boat?

08-11-2023 , 12:41 AM
Played 5/5 last week Live. Stack eff around 1900. Very deep game.

Hero in the BB with a crappy hand key point is 66xx. the gist of it that is important was a limper in EP repotted a cutoff open that I flatted. I also called the repot along with 4 others for 135 bucks.

Pot is 600+

Flop:
622 rainbow

I am second to act in BB and bet 200. My thought process is a few things- yes, I flopped a monster. This flop is checking 95% of the time. The limp repotter is AA and I dont even think he will be Betting here. My bet was for 2 reasons: 1. deny a free card to the other 4 people in the hand. Any broadway card is going to be a bit tricky to play OOP. Second, the only real value I get in this hand is if some knucklehead has a deuce and I can cooler. That's it. Would love to know thoughts on this if you know flop will check thru. Everyone folded.
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08-11-2023 , 05:55 AM
If people know you will only do this with a strong hand they can own you by folding their overpairs. Are you gonna try this with bluffs?

Also, most people have a cbet leak.
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08-11-2023 , 06:04 AM
So, you've put in 27 big blinds with a crappy hand, presumably for implied odds, and you haven't hit.

Please just fold preflop at every opportunity, barring any good political reasons to have a high VPIP.

Flop lead is good, for reasons you've mentioned.

Fold pre.
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08-11-2023 , 07:08 AM
lol @ political reasons
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08-11-2023 , 07:10 AM
I think you should min bet flop, min bet turn, and try check min raise (min check raise?) river.
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08-11-2023 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by wazz
So, you've put in 27 big blinds with a crappy hand, presumably for implied odds, and you haven't hit.

Please just fold preflop at every opportunity, barring any good political reasons to have a high VPIP.

Flop lead is good, for reasons you've mentioned.

Fold pre.
Haven't *got paid off*, not haven't hit
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08-11-2023 , 11:36 AM
In Live PLO with 5 handed to a flop with a table who under bluffs- no I would not be bluffing into 5 guys. It is face up- but I'd rather be scooping 500+ or coolering a deuce than checking a flop that will go checks around for a free card. Online- 6max different story. 9 handed Live no way.
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08-11-2023 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by HeroOrZero
In Live PLO with 5 handed to a flop with a table who under bluffs- no I would not be bluffing into 5 guys. It is face up- but I'd rather be scooping 500+ or coolering a deuce than checking a flop that will go checks around for a free card. Online- 6max different story. 9 handed Live no way.
So... what's your question then? It sounds like you got this figured out.

Flop isn't getting checked through though, is it? If an opponent has a deuce are they going to check? They have a deuce here about 35% of the time. There is an overpair present 97% of the time (in my sim I'm weighting the LRR to a high percent AA, but I think double suited run downs are also here), so about 9% of turns are pretty bad for you (pair or deuce = 4 outs). The point though is that when a deuce is present your action doesn't matter, bet or check, money will go into the pot the majority of the time.

I started to think through how to compare checking to betting under the above parameters in the case the board was two tone, because some fraction of the time a flush pays off, but it's a bit of work and I don't think it matters much. My logic was that it is likely much better to check on two tone boards than to check on rainbow boards.

edit: ultimately I am struggling to make a case for checking - not having worked through it. Which, I think, also means, we should bet a 6 blocker here a decent amount of the time.
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08-11-2023 , 02:35 PM
So I tried the idea of donking a blocker on a similar board online in a 3 handed flop where I was big blind... I triple barreled into an AA call down and felt like a chump. Interesting as prior to this thread I'd always have the goods in that spot.
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08-12-2023 , 06:56 AM
I just know that if I have Aces and someone is donking that flop multiway, im folding.

Sure, do it if you think people are just gonna pay off aces but as you play in better line ups you will need to not be so obvious
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