Deldar your comparison to drinking and driving and legally owning a weapon is a joke of an argument and it's not valid in the logical sense. Come on man you are smarter than this surely

do people think that access to legal guns would be enough of a defense in the case of a tyrannical militarized modern government that wants to take over control of everything?

On drunk driving: there are more deaths per year caused by drunk drivers than guns. Depending on the year it's something like 15,000 vs 10,000. Most of the victims of drunk driving incidents are completely innocent (passengers, bystanders, other cars) vs gun deaths where the vast majority of deaths are from criminal on criminal violence. I'm not pro-gun, just very anti-drunk-driving. Something needs to be done about that, too, and any chance to highlight the issue is worth bringing it up.

Banning alcohol is obviously not going to work, but stricter laws and penalties for offenders is something that can be implemented and has been shown to work everywhere around the world. This one is an easy, no brainer.

I don't know the statistic for gun violence in relation to the laws but common sense says that stricter laws cannot be a bad thing. Obviously if someone wants to get a gun in the US, they're going to get one. Even if they are outright banned right now there are _so_ many floating around that the black market for them would explode. But there's absolutely no reason for them to be so easily and readily available for anyone and their child to get their hands on. Also, being able to buy online?? Gtfo. I'm not sure if it's guns or just ammo or if it varies state by state but either way it's absurd.

Pretty sure you can buy guns from the deep web.

This

the point of online is that it goes over the head of state laws. i havent bothered to look but from what i skimmed, it seems like basically everything is on there too. even where i live is a pretty upper middle class suburb, there was basically only one store that sold guns, they used to sell a semi automatic ak47, then in the same store, offer the one piece that is needed to make it fully automatic again. perfectly legal, but could be exponentially more dangerous in some parts of the country

drunk driving vs guns is completely different imo. i had a couple friends die in an accident from "drunk" driving when in reality it was simply idiotic driving. driver was 20 doing 100mph in a 25 zone, bac was .08. if he were 1 year older, that part is now legal, but it still would have killed 2 friends.

.08 being legal is an absolute ****ing joke.

you think it should be lower? fwiw legal limit for minors is .02 (somehow not zero?)

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wtf is wrong with people? saw this and probably could not want to see someone die more

http://www.inquisitr.com/440355/west...-for-shooting/

it should definitely be lower

i swear to god i just don't get why ppl that want to kill a buncha ppl then off themselves don't pick better targets...i mean i know this prolly makes me a bad person but had this guy started spraying inside the westboro baptist church and killed all these ****ing bigoted assclowns i wouldn't have felt 1oz of sorrow.

i mean i support their freedom of speech to say **** like god hates **** and the newtown massacre was god's work etc i just also support them getting beat to death in a slow and agonizing manner.

these people also are known for regularly picketing funerals for dead soldiers.

these ppl are one step above pedophile's on the total scum of the earth chart (tho i wouldn't be that suprised if a bunch of them were pedo's themselves).

Typing this will probably get my name on some government list somewhere, but if you're going to go on a shooting rampage and want to shake society, then going after high level politicians/big shot wall street execs etc seems the play to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7pYHN9iC9I thought this was p good.

http://www.inquisitr.com/440545/anon...l-information/

One of the top reddit comments:

Deldar pointed it out very well. Just think about a street fight or an arguement which might cause it, most people won't really hurt anyone because they are scared/the other guy is too strong/their social education doesn't allow them to do so. Now if you gave all those people a gun and they could just shot you instead of fighting, so many more will just pull the trigger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOrz5k0jWdU

there is a long "documentation" about them.

worst part for me is that they get little children involved in this bs :\.
will be really hard for them to get out of it when they've grown up.

What bunch of low living scum. Our world is certainly going backwards because of people like this. How could you possibly even contemplate picketing the school with all the suffering parents. Its ****ing unthinkable

Guns kept in one's home are 45 times more likely to be used on the owner or on friends and family than on anyone else.
Source: saw it on the news, it's gotta be true.

im against guns.

i think theres a big problem about guns: most people who own guns, have no idea how to use it - but they think they know how do it. and thats the problem. even w/ laws and stuff, people who don't know how to use guns, still will be able to get one.

the argument of people saying ''a gun can save my life, i can protect my family'', usually its bad arugment, because 95% of people who have guns, would be more safe if he didn't have a gun. have a gun is only good if you are really good shooting. as jonno said "Guns kept in one's home are 45 times more likely to be used on the owner or on friends and family than on anyone else. "

btw my father has 2 guns here in our home, but i don't have acess.

freedom of speech means exactly that, protecting what is/was socially abhorent speech. someone saying hey guys lets abolish slavery was socially abhorent once upon a time too

its not a difficult concept to grasp re freedom of speech

these guys are really just a different belief system that does socially rude things without causing any harm of themselves

its also fine to think them a$$hats and react accordingly ofc

Think it was Voltaire who said "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Another story/quote I can't remember where I heard goes something like: There used to be freedom of speech, then there was a group of absolute radicals that everyone wanted shut and locked up. So they came for them and I didn't defended them, and life went on. Then some time later they came for the new most radical thinkers, who weren't quite as radical as the first, and I didn't defended them either. Life went on.

Now they're coming for me, and there is nobody to defend me. And life will go on.

life will certainly go on when people come for them and no one is there to defend them

dropping knowledge bombs (false)

there are 40 of them according to wikipedia and they got millions of people all riled up? that's exactly why i never read the news anymore, unless something big happens. all the media are just after some scandalous **** and after their own (political) interests and only care about their sales.

well aren't you a smarty pants

it was actually on frontpage of r/TIL yesterday