Q: Is this an automatic spot to call off on flop based on what you assume everyone has?

1-2/5 Live. Shorthanded, New table just opened, 3rd hand

Hero/Fish ($465) open raises to $20 from MP w/KK77ds (Mistake #1)
Button ($600+) calls
SB ($300) 3bets to $80.

Hero and Button call. (Mistake #2 because I figured him for AAxx even though it was our 3rd hand of night)

Flop 8xJhKh

SB shoves.
Hero looks over at button who is eagerly loading up to call and decides to fold (Mistake #3?) thinking that the button must have a big wrap with FD. It was so obvious that if she didn't call I would've complained she was angel-shooting.
Button calls.


Run out:
SB had AhAKJ (one heart)
Button had 10976 (two hearts)

Not that it matters but for those who tilt.
Board 1: J2 (no hearts)
Board 2: J7 (no hearts)

Tilt tilt tilt.

I am the biggest fish in the world if opening KK77ds from MP is fishy.
You flop the nuts and decide to fold because you put BTN on the ultimate nuts?



You shouldn't play this game, poker i mean.

So just raise/calling OOP wasn't a bad play? I'm thinking it was horrible given my side cards.

Obvious open pre, easy call after they 3bet, get it in on flop. Did you not know that top set is the nuts if no straight or flush is possible? Maybe you should print off one of those sheets that says the hand rankings before you go next time.
Also these questions are the equivalent of "should I fold aces pre" in nl, you should probably read a bit about PLO before you play.

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How can I get in that livegame where people fold top set on 8x Kh Jh

Even if there was a possible straight on the board and a flush draw your top set has 36% equity which means 3 way you can get it in even knowing they have a straight and or flush... if the 3rd player also has a set out Equity goes down to 25%. All this to say even with a huge possible wrap + flush draw you should fist pump Get it in

Edit : there's a non 0% chance we are getting trolled


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So, you think the SB has AA (I'm assuming you'd also think that AA has good backup after the flop shove) and the BTN has a strong wrap with a flush draw. Looks like you're still in very good shape.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: KJ8

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KsKd7d7s	47.80%	286,810	0
35%!3%AQT,QT9):hh	33.54%	195,634	11,175
AAKJ,K8,J8,QT,T9,hh)	18.66%	106,381	11,175

You are playing in these games and they are so incredibly soft that you can still afford to play them even while making plays like this, so you'll probably be a substantial winner in them if you manage to stop being a nit.

You flop a set about a quarter of the time and a FD about a quarter of the time otherwise. How often do you think your opponents hit the flop?

Being the third hand I would be guessing as to what ever side cards the SB had to go with his AA. I would've got it all in if the button wasn't so interested and/or I was holding str8 blockers (9/10/Q) and of course if I had a FD.

I'm usually very good with my reads, but it has cost me $$ over the long term.

Thanks for the numbers. I downloaded an App this morning and against these players with their actual holdings on the flop the win percentages were Hero 38%, SB 6%, BTN 55%.

It was a good game. Two players stacked off $500/ea against each other preflop. AAK10 vs 7643. Ran a full board twice and the AAxx lost both. It was a $1400 pot with the dead money from the preflop folds.

I'm guessing if you had the AAKT you would put the other guy on AAKKds and fold pre?

I appreciate the humor and years ago I read a few books on PLO (TJ Clout, J Hwang) perhaps I should pick up some more.

I didn't know that it's common practice to stack off with a bare set on a wet board in PLO.

LOL. No, I would've just called the 3bet from the young German and taken a flop.

This is all a ****ing joke, isn't it?

Nope. I'm 100 percent serious. I put the SB on AAxx and Button on wrap, FD or both.

Based on their actual holdings the button with wrap/FD wins about it 55% of the time my holding was in high 30's.

It was going to be a $1k pot.

Everyone is getting levelled ITT

This is what I ask myself in 90% of threads

Whether this is a level or reality, this is total cringe sh*t.

Uh..... so....

So you defend 100% in the big blind preflop because you always have the pot odds to call?

Please don't take what I'm saying out of context. I'm talking about the hand. I figured you would be able to discern that. I erased the post anyway.




(.. and TBH many people do not play their BB nearly enough...)

Lol, you completely missed the point.

I didn't miss the point at all.

Actually, based on your post, you completely misunderstood the example I was making. Your statement about cash just being about if you have the odds to call or not is completely incorrect, even if you are just talking about the hand. If you think hard about the example I gave, you may be able to figure out why.. I don't want to spoon feed you.

CJ, I'm gonna take a different line and say well done on more accurately recalling the events of the hand. Huge improvement on past threads.