I'm not trolling, I don't know why you think I'm trolling. I've spent the last 14 days in Las Vegas (WSOP) playing at Aria, Bellagio, Golden Nugget, WSOP (not RIO pkr room) and Venetian.

These are real hands where I've found myself in what I believe to be tough spots. I don't know how often you play live with eight strangers, but it's a completely different experience versus 6-max w/HUD.

I'm going to have to with the consensus. 100% troll.

If you aren't trolling then you got some serious work to do.


I'll give a great example of how you look. If this was a comedy movie IRL, say anchorman, you would be Will Ferrell's character, playing the straight man who is oblivious to everything and doesn't understand anything or anything going on around him, that's kind of how you look if for some reason you aren't trolling.

Haha. Well then I guess I'm Will Ferrell. I've been playing this game and others (O/8, Big O, and PLO O/8) for over 5 years (99% live with max buy-in of 100BB).

I have work to do in PLO.

Your troll was too obvious. Your cover is blown. Give up.

AAKQ(ds) in SB. Three limpers and I pot it to try something different since you guys give me a hard time about how I play AAxx OOP and everyone calls. We're all over 100BB except for UTG.

Flop: JJ6 rainbow.

I check, BB checks, and UTG bets 1/2 pot. Everyone folds and UTG briefly shows disappointment as he's awarded the pot. I'd bet you $1k that player had a Jack because no player is going to bet into 5 players (two left to act) on that board with out one.


In fact he had AJ89. (I asked him what his kicker was).

You can call me lots of things but please don't call me a liar. If you want to talk about this further please do it via PM.

Mods please close this thread.

Nice soul read

CJ, when they say 'PLO is a game of the nuts', they don't mean nuts like a literal nut hand, they mean testicles. You have to gamble (or at least be willing to reraise with premium AA) to win.

x/f even AAKQds on JJ6r when someone bets into 4 other people is not even close to the same as x/f KK on KhJh8x.

Guess you're going all-in on this troll attempt. Well, good luck. You'd better hope the mods are naive.

I'm not convinced he's trolling. There are people out there who really are this weak-tight, just that usually they either aren't on 2+2 and/or they've figured out that PLO is a really bad game for weak-tight play.

Basically, he needs to figure out that PLO isn't the game where you try to make the cinch hand and then get people to pay you off. This seems obvious to most people with any level of PLO experience, but like everything else the obvious is only obvious once you realize it is obvious... until then it isn't...

The (from the AA hand) not raising on the flop with the nut top set because villain is willing to get it in with a flush draw is absurd... moreso when the raise would totally commit stacks... unless you think the goal is to make an unbeatable hand before getting money in.

The patterns in his posts suggests highly that he is trolling. I could give many other reasons why it is a troll, but I'm not going to go into it. If he wants to continue this thread, I'm not going to interfere.

I basically never commit stacks w/out a re-draw on a wet board.

Here's and example from yesterday.

Hero (SB) : KdQdQx8x
Villain (MP): A10XX

Flop: AdQx10d

Villain folded to a 4b on the flop and flashed his A10 when he folded.

You're correct about being weak-tight however in a majority of my tough spots I've been fairly accurate with my reads and I do suffer from a little bit of money-tilt. So sometimes it's very difficult for me be mentally OK with committing stacks. Especially when early on in my PLO career I lost a couple of very large pots to hands which were dominated. (ex. Nut wrap w/FD vs sucker wrap no FD). Negative reinforcement is strong.

This can be a huge leak. If your hand is very strong and likely had 50-65% equity against villians range and the board is extremely wet, getting it in now can help if your not 100% confident in your postflop skills. You can't make mistakes on later streets if the money is all in. A good example of this is earlier when you had the top set of kings.


Do you ever 4b bluff on the flop? What is your raising range like here? This is likely a balance issue. We effectively have the nuts here so getting more money in the pot is good, I don't know exactly how the flop action played out but I'm surprised this person would 3-bet with AT on this board without some serious sidecard backup which he can't really have as you have both the K Q. You got probably way more value out of that flop than you ever realize if you got 3 bets off your villian and that is way overachieving. I wouldn't complain about that hand, it sounds like you played it well and won a bunch of money because of it. A good player would have either flatted with their AT or folded before you put your 4-bet on the flop in so it sounds like your games are very good.

I got lucky against my opponent. He was tilting from loosing $1k in a multi-way All-In where they only ran it once. Perhaps he had a J-high flush draw or a bottom wrap. I don't know.

As for 4B I don't and don't see it in my live games because stacks are usually so shallow (<100BB) that a 4B implies "playing for stacks". Max buy-in in the $1-$2/$5 is generally $500. Golden Nugget LV has no max on their tables.

My raising range on a board like that is at a min K-high FD with a pair and perhaps some str8 cards. It depends on the player and stack sizes because some players will re-shove with weaker FD and a str8 draws.

grunching

10 handed this is a 3% top starting hand. Raising preflop is mandatory. If you think every 3 bet you face is AA and plan on folding, then that implies you're raising and playing your KK kind of like a blind steal. It's just too good to play it that way.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KxKy7x7y	36.74%	220,452	0
AA	63.26%	379,548	0

Heads up against the AA your call is correct in the hot/cold sense, in this case however you're getting an even better price with a likely 3:1 call preflop.

I think folding this flop 3 ways is just really bad. You can get it in here and there is just no way you're worse than 33%.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: KzJz8

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KxKy7x7y	62.44%	374,640	0
AA	16.35%	95,547	5,070
15%-5%	21.21%	124,743	5,070

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: KzJz8

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KxKy7x7y	54.03%	324,167	0
AA	14.80%	87,722	2,175
QJT9:hh, QT98:hh, QT97:hh, QJ98:hh, QJT8:hh	31.17%	185,936	2,175

As if the case weren't already closed:
1. You don't know button is calling.
2. SB might not have AA.
3. In the case of #2, SB might do this with good rundowns against which you are a favorite, where SB might also be sharing cards with button.
3. Not knowing button, we might add some JJ** to her range here(she did just cold call you).

So, flop is a shove. To play this any other way would mean just folding your top 3% KK77ds preflop, which kind of implies you should not be playing poker.

I like this sim. I added the 10976 player 3 (btn) and KJ to SB.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: KzJz8

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KxKy7x7y	51.88%	311,251	0
AAKJ	5.70%	34,200	0
QJT9:hh, QT98:hh, T976:hh, QJ98:hh, QJT8:hh	42.42%	254,549	0

you should leave BB with AA. this is short hand for AA**, meaning AA with two other random cards.