Should I just be checking flop here? My thought was I could get overpairs to fold flop. With the turn pairing the board I felt most of my range was incentivized to pot. Was this just complete spew?

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UTG: $336.80 (674 bb)
BU: $128.33 (257 bb)
SB (Hero): $53.77 (108 bb)
BB: $126.01 (252 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 9 A J 9
1 fold, BTN raises to $1.75, Hero 3-bets to $5.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $4

Flop: ($12) 3 6 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, BTN calls $9

Turn: ($30) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $30, BTN raises to $75, Hero calls $9.02 (all-in)

I’m not 3betting this hand OOP, think you can stab float if you feel like it but your going to get floated a lot, think just give up turn.

Isn't this a great candidate to 3bet fold pre in this formation? What does stab float mean?

Typo; stab flop.

Can you elaborate on why this is a good 3b/fold and also “in this formation” because I’m not sure what you mean.

Just from my perspective unless your table image is spewy AF, this flop almost never connects with your 3bet range specifically from the small blind so your line looks pretty suss, at least to me anyway.

Like are you repping a spazzing AAxx? because if you are then ok I get the line.

AsJ99:ss is a fine 3-bet hand.

You should not generally bet this flop with ~anything. This is because your opponent has more nuts but you have a equity advantage. If you bet, your opponent can continue with their stronger hands and floats very profitably and your range is screwed against it.

Flop blocker value is overrated, you need to block the straight on board.


Flop bet is a complete spew without better reads, you also have no good turn cards. Live and learn.

AJ99ss is not at all a fine 3b hand. We do not have very good playability, we don't hit very many flops, we don't crush many, and we're very often pushing negative equity. There are many non-A hands I would much rather 3betting. I'd far prefer a hand like A876ss than this. 99 unimproved does not win the pot very often.

Because 45 doesn't turn up in people's hands as much as 89, and 89 very frequently comes with a 7 or T or other card that makes this very playable, having blockers to the straight draw rather than the actual straight is certainly of value. There are plenty of spots with the low straight on board where you'd much rather block the high wrap with say 66 on 245 than 33.

Just because solver doesn't like cbetting this flop with any of our range doesn't mean we shouldn't. We're not playing against the solver, we're playing humans (probably).

I'm not going to pretend there aren't buttons against whom we can 3bet this hand. But I can get to significant 3b freq (~11%) before using this combo and I'd add a bunch of AQQ-ATTss before this so, yeah, probably fold pre.

On many boards and configurations, our overpair advantage should result in our being more aggressive. But when the flop enables straights, we're oop, and deep enough, I think that aggression should be dampened considerably. Note your 3/4 bet size here. Is that what you choose with the nuts at SPR 4? Solver teaches us that as flops get less dynamic we should lean toward smaller sizings. 1/2 usually does the job here but you size up, looking for folds? Just a thought.

Good discussion here between wazz and IF. After thinking about it a bit, if I was going to have weak cbets on this flop, I'd want cleaner equity with a gutshot to a bigger straight, like AT99, or an overpair that doesn't bring more straights. But are we just quibbling over bluffs when we don't bet much value, if any? My guess is that solver has a small cbet range on low straight boards because it can do so more profitably than not. Doubt my pool continues broadly enough that I can do the same without a lot of effort.

Reply to wazz:

It's not too hard to punish if we cbet here too much. We're cbetting generally because we have range advantage and on this flop we do not have one. Not only that, but our opponent has more nuts and can leverage it.

99 would be more relevant blocker if our opponent's range wouldn't be 40 %-45% of all hands. Which again, contains way more nuts than our range.

AsJ99:ss hits hard but rarely. Ofc it needs fe on the flop but it allows us to semibluff and defend a lot flops where general overpairs would be in trouble. Pushing Nut fds, blockers when relevant, mid-straight boards etc. is really beneficial.

3! pre-flop is a bit light, but this is either a 3! or fold, and not a good call.

Hero is supposed to play super-tight from the sb, even if a hand like this looks ok its playability isn't great.