would be very good to know if you block any diamonds
it's hard to be totally crushed on both boards here but the problem is against a reasonable player this looks a lot like KQJ or AQJ type hands, often with diamonds since you block hearts, and that's the hand that crushes you. against those hands you have 40-45% on one board but like 0-10% on the other. i think you have to make some optimistic assumptions about cutoff's range here to call off. like is he the type to do this with relatively one way hand like 99 or KK even when both boards are straightening on the turn? i am probably only calling off here against a known spaz
Last edited by ham on rye; 06-20-2023 at 10:54 PM.
All you can do is flat here .. you currently have 'nothing' and very few nut outs, so raising only opens the door up to disaster. You are also OOP to a bet, bet Player.
The other issue is that you are calling 800 to win 400 now that you are HU and closing action. Yes, there are some scoopertunities here but they would be pretty rare.
What are you going to do on the River if you non-nut connect on either (or both) Boards? All that risk for a x/c that may not happen? What happens if you non-nut connect on one Board and then get potted on River?
Bomb pots are 'fun' .. but they are all about the nuts and even with the nuts they are about pot control in most cases. GL
Thanks for all the great thoughts and feedback. I played this poorly and call folded when I bricked the river and had no way of winning with 70% of my stack invested.
I’ve been playing increased bomb pot hands and learning the hard way that non crushing holdings end up just crushing yourself. Of the 80ish hands I’ve played, I’ve got heavily involved 7 times, won 1 outright, lost 3 outright and shared 3. Those are expensive, but very valuable learnings.
The good news is that the lessons are kicking in. I folded face up nut baby straight yesterday with low fd on other paired board. Villain did a KGB impersonation “how the f you lay that down” with fd on my made straight hand and flopped boat on the other. That was an insta muck yesterday where I likely would have played it previously.
Bomb pots are indeed fun. Hoping to continue on the improvement path.
Turn is a relatively straightforward fold and even flop call is not straightforward since Hero is drawing to only 5 clean outs on the diamond board (some of which may be outs)
Also even though the wrap has very decent equity agains strong holdings we may not be able to realize our equity on the river because Hero may all ready be dead on the other board.
Finally wrap outs can also be chops and Hero still risks being dominated by very similar hands. For example if villain has a hand like kqj:dd or kjt8:dd, Hero is in a horrible situation. Not having a pair on either board matters, as sometimes even 1p is enough to scoop vs bricked similar wrap etx. And the 5 does very little for Hero.
So flop is probably a fold against solid opponents.
Turn is a relatively straightforward fold and even flop call is not straightforward since Hero is drawing to only 5 clean outs on the diamond board (some of which may be outs)
Also even though the wrap has very decent equity agains strong holdings we may not be able to realize our equity on the river because Hero may all ready be dead on the other board.
Finally wrap outs can also be chops and Hero still risks being dominated by very similar hands. For example if villain has a hand like kqj:dd or kjt8:dd, Hero is in a horrible situation. Not having a pair on either board matters, as sometimes even 1p is enough to scoop vs bricked similar wrap etx. And the 5 does very little for Hero.
So flop is probably a fold against solid opponents.
Yes, agreed. Button revealed he had exact same wrap as me. I should have been able to figure out that his call removed some of
my clean outs.
Hero's relative position is actually advantageous, since Button is facing aggression with Hero behind him. And on good turn cards, Hero can lead into the field and often push CO or even B off hands with significant equity.
With those factors, I think flop call is ok. Turn is a very clear fold though.
The pot sizing on the flop from CO often indicates lack of experience/sophistication. You might look for ways to exploit him.
The pot sizing on the flop from CO often indicates lack of experience/sophistication. You might look for ways to exploit him.
Can you please expand on this. The majority of flop bets in this game are pot sized. That might suggest that the majority of the field (Aria 5-5-10) fits that description.
Can you please expand on this. The majority of flop bets in this game are pot sized. That might suggest that the majority of the field (Aria 5-5-10) fits that description.
Thanks for all the great thoughts and feedback. I played this poorly and call folded when I bricked the river and had no way of winning with 70% of my stack invested.
I’ve been playing increased bomb pot hands and learning the hard way that non crushing holdings end up just crushing yourself. Of the 80ish hands I’ve played, I’ve got heavily involved 7 times, won 1 outright, lost 3 outright and shared 3. Those are expensive, but very valuable learnings.
The good news is that the lessons are kicking in. I folded face up nut baby straight yesterday with low fd on other paired board. Villain did a KGB impersonation “how the f you lay that down” with fd on my made straight hand and flopped boat on the other. That was an insta muck yesterday where I likely would have played it previously.
Bomb pots are indeed fun. Hoping to continue on the improvement path.
Another lesson for you, this one for free: don't ever do this!
Turn looks like a fold. You're basically dead on board 2, so if this were for a single board, it might like a continue, but you can basically chop your equity in half and suddenly your wrap and flush draw is starting to look like a gutshot. Did the hands get to showdown? CO looks like TT maybe, with or without some redrawn.
Button looks more like middle set + some draws or just some really big draws.
