I want to talk about this hand.

My spaz attempt at analysis;


Berri button raise amso 3bets.

Amso cbets 20% which feels like trap or air to me, not sure if this is his standard in 3bet but doubt it?

Berri raises blocking a bunch of continues; NFD and some connections to 6s with the 45s. Guess he’s trying to raise amso off pure dry whiffs and overpairs. Sizing is 4x the 20% which feels like a level.

Amso flats which is standard.

Turn; amso checks the flush card, Berri goes half repping the NF, amso calls.

River; amso bricks boat draw and checks, Berri goes full pot which should be a boat most of the time, sometimes the NF and a bunch of bluffs.

Amso calls it off with bare trips and pays off the straight( he did somewhat block 89), I wonder if amso had a sizing tell somewhere.

Now, berries river bet is what I’m interested in the most, what is it?

Is it merge? Is it a bluff trying to blow amso off a bunch of **** flushes? Is it value? Is it meta spew?

Cheers.

Also, I don’t like berries turn barrel.

It is value.

Turn seems like a mandatory bluff to me, hand is great for that.

I’m not so sure. Value vs what percentage of Amos’s hands that we actually beat?

I’ve of the opinion that amso never gets to the river with a hand worse than the one he actually has, likes he absolute bottom of range apart from maybe a .0001% of KcKxx.

Yeah I get on face of it turn seems like a blast, but after the flop underbet/call?

Like I said, 20% it’s a trap or total air right. So he continues, so it’s likely a trap?

I don't think there's much to talk about here - Berri has the Ac on a board where it's rare for his opponent to have 6x/TT, so he decides to rep that and barrel away knowing if a club comes this is one more hand that his opponent will have a hard time calling against. Amso even with the trips has a tough river call - he beats no natural bluffs and Berri might check back the straight, so he's hoping Berri has what he has.

He can just bet small with range on this board due to range advantage. He is very good obviously so he can't be grossly unbalanced like you suggest.

So you think he’s betting 20% with JJ, QQ?

If his strategy is to range bet 20%, then yes, he does so with every JJ and QQ he 3-bets with.

I ran this through flophero and every play exactly matches GTO, except berri's river bet, which I suspect is a mistake, or an exploitation based on his opponent. FlopHero checks the straight 100% and is betting boats, flushes, and bluffs.

It loves a 1/5 size for bb on flop:


Berri raise is a sometimes:


Turn is super standard and flophero plays it 100% bet.

River looks like this for berri:


I think it's an interesting hand, and 1/5 flop bet is not in my repertoire, but I definitely play turn the same and then check behind river. Turn raise is not something I would do very often and is probably a leak.

Does GTO check JJ,QQ mark?

Sorry, if you don’t mind liking at some stage.

Wait sorry, if I’m reading it right then it checks QQ,JJ 70% ?

I didn’t check QQ, JJ specifically and I’m probably out of free boards now but will try again later.

All g tyvm.

It seems pretty standard PLO .. not sure I go as small OTF with flush/789/other 6x out there .. at least we have 2 overs! Is this 'blocking' value?

.. raise OTF lets him take betting lead and allows for NF bluffs .. not a huge fan of this on paired boards but HU can do more often

.. Good sizing on Turn to allow 'enough' behind on River to fold some hands that are ahead but not willing to call a double barrel against flush value

.. Still bluffing flush, but now have a 5-card hand to fall back on .. V would've jammed Turn/bet River with FH so green light.

Every poker spot has some elements of hand history involved, so timing tells and bet sizing may have influenced some decisions.

Not a huge fan of the opening bet (no limping allowed?), nor call of raise .. but I'm no expert on HU ranges. How powerful is an Ace OTB in PLO v NL? Couple of straight draws, but weakly 3-suited. 7.5bb and I'm not so sure how I feel about the implied odds of this holding. I guess I'd rather limp/call for a bit less.

One of those PLO spots where a bluff turns into a bluff/draw turns into a winner. GL

This includes the river call?

Idk about solver but amso obv decided Berri was likely just full of it, I actually think berries river jam is really bad but I guess he does it for meta?

Sure, guys at these stakes just click buttons for "meta".

yes

I mean if you want to offer some considered insight bro go ahead, tbh your responses so far have been pretty trolly.

But I’ll bite, if not for meta wtf would you jam this river after you luckbox some showdown vs V who’s called 2 streets on a paired flushing board.

Already answered in my first post. Consider the possibility that I consider your posts "trolly".

I am not saying that I know why he thinks it's a good value.

is maybe some weird kind of solver bet where he folds some flushes and calls some trips

V has not taken betting lead 'as they should' with a FH .. so Yes, bet on River is to keep up the story that 'our' holding is FH or NF and certainly is willing to try to get lower flushes to fold out 'at this price'.

Sure there's Showdown value now, but our story certainly wasn't a straight draw so we need to continue the story. We beat 6x holdings now anyway .. and other than for the tilt effect we may not want V to see our holding unless they pay for it. GL

I don't think that is correct. Villain has nearly every TT/T6 still. Pretty sure it influenced in IP:s decision that he holds not only Ac but also a T.