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07-24-2014 , 05:00 PM
@dankness

Thank you very much for your post +effort.

Last 2 weeks i was mainly playing live and online. Especially live though.
Lost big time and also lost allmost everything online. (Compare to live my Br was allmost 2 Bi x)) It was more a tilting of 20 Bi at plo25. (getting it just in with everything against aa- all the time and so on). Also run a bit bad.

Know its time to recollect and rebuild myself.
Other weaknesses then patience(live) and tilt + patience (online) i spotted:

a.
How important is the factor of sizing?
I am really unsure how to use sizing but it seems to be a huge factor in omaha.
But i think there is a big difference between live and online.
Online sizing brings more money because people tend to call lighter. Live you loose because people would call anyways ..
Other thoughts -(how to use it, which hands and why are highly welcome).

b.
Are we getting it in with AAA* ?
Can we ever call with it and play comfortably post?

c.
How strong are double pairs?
Are we getting it in vs strong ranges pre with double suited? without?

d.
How are we reducing varianze? Do we even want to reduce it?
When is a huge draw a shove and when just a call?(pos, opponents, stacks + example please).
What does chance on turn?(blank obv.)

Last:
I will try to anser those Questions myself and post the answers here.
Discussions and answers of yours are highly welcome.
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07-24-2014 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by apo5tol
i still only have a really vague idea wtf range merging is. usually the same concept can be described in different, much less complicated words, different in various spots.
I haven't been keeping up with poker theory recently, but it's a fairly simple concept to be honest.

If you have a lockdown board where villain would expect you to bet only air or very strong made hands, he'd have certain bluff catching hands in his calling range. So you merge your polarized hands (air and made) and value bet medium hands that'll beat a bluff catcher. Thus the term range merging.

Assume an NL game where there are four to the flush on the board. Villain expects you to only bet nuts or air. So you add a two pair type hand to your betting range and get him to call you with TT. Range merged.

If this has changed over the last year or two, forgive my ignorance.
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07-25-2014 , 06:22 AM
It is a load of **** as you are always 'range merging'.

I 3b/4b my weak aces the same size as my mid/strong rundowns preflop
If you ever have bluffs in your range then this term 'range merging' will mainfest by default, it is a part of bluffing. SO instead of saying range merging you just say bluffing x% time and where your bluff range is wider means you can v bet wider sometimes. It is not a deliberate merge, is just a coincedence that as one range expands means there is space created in other places.

The way you describe it, seems to be just adding a 3rd range to the 2 ranges, or just widening your value range because their bluff catch range is wider due to the assump[tion in your mentioned expectation of villains perception. If you break it down though why stop at just 3 ranges. It is suggesting that the 2 pair would not value bet wider to exploit hero calls.

This is just done by defining where you are cutting your ranges. In your example I don't see how it differs to a normal value bet. I think there is a big problem in people who use these terms, or try to add them to their game as a weapon. I remember that Durrr triple range merge thread, funny **** how serious people take this.

There is something there though, with substance, deceit, but it should be there all the time unless you have a simple spot based upon the decks layout. No need to construct some bs term just so you sound like a smart ass in your poker coaching videos.
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07-25-2014 , 06:30 AM
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b.
Are we getting it in with AAA* ?
I am quite often folding AAA5r preflop

it is still a strong hand though


Ranking Description Average Best Worst
10H 10-handed iterative (default) 7.0 7.0 7.0
3H 3-handed iterative 13.0 13.0 13.0
6H 6-handed iterative 11.0 11.0 11.0
VR vs. random hand 13.0 13.0 13.0


Just difficult to play.

If you have suited broadway then this is alot better indeed

10H 10-handed iterative (default) 4.0 4.0 4.0
3H 3-handed iterative 6.0 6.0 6.0
6H 6-handed iterative 4.0 4.0 4.0
VR vs. random hand 7.0 7.0 7.0

The rankins are somewhat misleading as when you have AAA then your dead carfds remove a good chunk of the superior hands so your ranking is more like 3/4

You can get it in heads up comfortable

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AcAhAdJc49.36% 536,0650
7h7s8h8s50.64% 549,9430

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
1,086,008 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AcAhAdJc48.85% 530,5110
7h6s8hTs51.15% 555,4970

I prefer more stop and goish hands though, the flop is a huge pivot and it's good to see it sometimes because so many flops totally **** you against an aware opponenet who is cracking AA and not getting into the 4b pot with AKK4
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07-25-2014 , 06:57 AM
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I 3b/4b my weak aces the same size as my mid/strong rundowns preflop
If you ever have bluffs in your range then this term 'range merging' will mainfest by default, it is a part of bluffing. SO instead of saying range merging you just say bluffing x% time and where your bluff range is wider means you can v bet wider sometimes. It is not a deliberate merge, is just a coincedence that as one range expands means there is space created in other places.
Balancing would conclude that to.
I am really unsure how important it is at micros/mid stakes and if it es profitable(more) to be unbalanced.

Anyway balancing(gto) or whatever isnt allways most profitable play. x)
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07-25-2014 , 07:11 AM
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c.
How strong are double pairs?
Are we getting it in vs strong ranges pre with double suited? without?
I just realized that lots of fish make faults due to categorical errors. But the perfection of anyone game is limited due to categorical errors because I don't think anyone can define ranges : ev perfectly small.

At the end of the day you are only going to be playing 2 of your cards at showdown, and instead of understanding as 'double pairs' need to look at each 2 card combo individually. Then you can look at blockers. Blockers are also generic term, but the 5% or so sways they can have is useful, especially when you have already low equity this can mean the difference between losing/making between 0(x) and 3(x).

And hands like 7788ds is very powerful, but 99% of the time you are chasing and so you have to play as a chase, preflop you likely won't have much fold equity in serious pots, postflop there are lots nice SPRs where you are drawing someone pretty thin or have a strong draw. Those set cards is like having an auto gut shot indiscriminate of board texture.

I hand like 9922r I very much dislike. TTJJds is an am amazing hand and less of a chase and when you have AAKKds then you have no chase and nothing but brute force.

When understanding your hands do not think in category of 'double pair'

I will break a little for you:

AAKKds = AA KK AKs AKs (4 heavy)= 2 flush draw draws, 2 set draws, only 1 straights as at top of deck but they are nuts, all opponents pairs are dominated

JJ22r (1 heavy 1 weak 1 air) = JJ 22 J2 = 2 sets , thin lead sometimes, overcard is coming on flop very often, no straights

7788ds= 77 88 78s 78 (4 middle weight) = nice amount of straights, 2 flush draw draws, 2 set draws

All individual combos have equal blocker value. But 88 is more concentrated>87> J2.
You don't need to think about the negatives, you just count the positives, you can infer the negatives from the positives and working backwards takes a lot longer to value your position.

If you haven't already, you need to get pen and paper and calcualtor and start working out the deck. Understanding holdem hands is very useful in this. i.e chance of set on flop = chance of overcard to pocket pair = chance to set =.

This is just the area of looking at your hand though. Once you have got a decent memory bank you can start to apply the ratios in their range. Ie how much of his preflop range is 4 heavy, 3 middle weight, people tend to fall into similar patterns if they are not approximating this ****.

The 3rd equals along would be all the flop combinations, the 4th equals along the opponents combinations, then you have to make a table because it goes 3 dimensional.
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07-25-2014 , 07:23 AM
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d.
How are we reducing varianze? Do we even want to reduce it?
When is a huge draw a shove and when just a call?(pos, opponents, stacks + example please).
What does chance on turn?(blank obv.)
Not good question. I can say I'#d prefer higher variance if I was a losing player but then lower variance would give me more experience back per $.

The reason it is bad question = you cannot affect variance just because you can agree to play or not.
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07-25-2014 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Benni19
Balancing would conclude that to.
I am really unsure how important it is at micros/mid stakes and if it es profitable(more) to be unbalanced.

Anyway balancing(gto) or whatever isnt allways most profitable play. x)
If it is not most profitable play then it is not balanced and it is not GTO
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07-25-2014 , 10:24 AM
Just wanna Thank Mr. Fishnoob for his effort.
Will read everything after Session.

A random Question:
I know i am can get it in any Flop vs 1 Opponent when 1/3 of my Stack is in the pot and i got only low spr.

But what about those Situations where i got 1-2 Spr - sitting on AA vs 2 Opponents on cordinate Board where i got heavy action and feel like i am behing most of the time and possibly drawing dead?
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07-25-2014 , 11:00 AM
The option of c/f'ing aces in multiway spots certainly exists. Hell, even b/f'ing.
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07-25-2014 , 11:18 AM
In Hu pots there is an mathematical answer where you cant be wrong.
Same multiway?
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07-25-2014 , 02:42 PM
By the way:
What does a hand in a vacuum mean?
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07-25-2014 , 03:00 PM
It means you look at just that hand without taking into account previous experiences.
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07-25-2014 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by heh
It means you look at just that hand without taking into account previous experiences.
Thx.
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07-26-2014 , 05:41 AM
Are there any good heads up books for omaha ordo i need to read holdem books and try to transition the info i get there?
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07-26-2014 , 10:28 AM
benni post some hands
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07-26-2014 , 11:39 AM
PokerStars Zoom Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (6 Spieler) - PokerStars Zoom Converter Tool from http://de.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Hero (Button) ($24.30)
SB ($27.76)
BB ($28.69)
UTG ($14.50)
MP ($40)
CO ($9.64)

Preflop: Hero ist Button mit J, 6, Q, 5
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.60, SB raises to $8.80, 1 fold, CO raises to $9.64 (All-In), Hero raises to $24.30 (All-In), SB calls $15.50

Flop: ($58.49) 2, 2, 8 (3 Spieler, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($58.49) 4 (3 Spieler, 2 all-in)

River: ($58.49) 10 (3 Spieler, 2 all-in)

Gesamt Pot: $58.49 | Rake: $2

Ergebnisse : [spoiler]
Hero hat J, 6, Q, 5 (one pair, twos).
SB hat A, Q, A, 2 (three of a kind, twos).
CO hat Q, 9, K, 9 (two pair, nines and twos).
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By the way. To realise how bad i am.
Last 18 k hands i am -Aiev 713 my Mc won is at 100. Basicly i am running like jesus and loosing. Think most of my run good is comming from allmost 10-15 Tilt session where i basicly get it in with anything after live game to tilt of.

Won with Showdown 350 +
Won without Showdown 330 -
I am contributing to the poker economy.

Other funny facts. I am playing on every position same amount of hands.
My biggest loosing position is Bu. (Guess i am barrelling to much out of it).
Next BB + SB.
Winning Pos Co + Ep.
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07-26-2014 , 11:42 AM
Other facts:

I am only winning at unopened pots.
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07-26-2014 , 06:53 PM
I got 3 question:

1.
When to float? oop, ip?

2.
Could someone explore the concept of pleyability of a hand and the difference or/an correlation to equity and ev.

3.
Can i profitably call with any hand or any double suited hand ip vs 3bet?
Why? Why not?
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07-26-2014 , 07:22 PM
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07-27-2014 , 07:36 AM
Red Line

How important is the red line in Omaha.
How to get a negativ/positiv red line?

Another one:
Is an A in my hand such important?
It seems to me like allthough KQTJ is better connected AQTJ is stronger ..
Obv because of an A.

Vs a strong opening range is the first or the latter better and why?

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07-30-2014 , 11:57 AM
Red line (fold equity) is very important. Negative red line = you are being bluffed out , or you are folding correctly. It depends how it balances with blue line. It's not about trying to get a red line, it's about knowing when to barrel and knowing how to balance your bet sizes vs your ranges.

KQTJ is not better connected. The top gap is irrilvent when you are at the top of the deck, because it means your gap cannot be dominated in terms of having a gap advantage. AK** has more equity for kicker reasons opposed to form reasons.

If you suspect Aces then it depends on your spr as to how useful your A is. Your A is more useful when you want to bluff out an AA but generally against AA you don't want an A. Against AA heads up then form tends to actually be a disadvantage, as you want spread rather than concentrated power in order to crack.

Define strong opening range, generally prefer AQ** to KQ** only KQ is 'probably' better vs AA
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07-30-2014 , 12:22 PM
hi thx.

I dont undestand this part fully
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KQTJ is not better connected. The top gap is irrilvent when you are at the top of the deck, because it means your gap cannot be dominated in terms of having a gap advantage. AK** has more equity for kicker reasons opposed to form reasons.
Top of the deck means?
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07-30-2014 , 01:44 PM
I guess what hes saying is that KQTJ is the 2nd biggest run down you can have, with AKQJ being the biggest one. Both of those can be considered as the very top of the deck of 52 cards.
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07-30-2014 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Benni19
hi thx.

I dont undestand this part fully


Top of the deck means?
Top of the deck in this instance is used in regards to nut straights.

A hand like T876 looks decent because of the connected nature, but the nut hand you can flop is QJT98 (using T8) for a straight. This hand is beaten by anyone holding KTxx. The top gap becomes a handicap to flopping the nuts, or not getting outdrawn.

A hand like AQJT or KJT9 can both make straights to the Ace, where there is no way that someone can have a higher hand, or outdraw you to a higher hand. That is the top of the deck. Nothing can be made that is higher than your hand (when speaking about straights).
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